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Palaces in St. Petersburg / Re: Private rooms of the Winter Palace
« on: March 01, 2005, 07:52:03 AM »
Brian & Hikaru.
My understanding of the location of the Gothic Hall of Nicholas I's daughers is highlighted in yellow on this plan.  Hikaru's response has me a little confused because my Guide of the Hermitage(from 2002) labels this as Room 12.  I have read discriptions of the Gothic Room was on the Neva side, and my guide shows Room 16 as facing the Admiralty.  Any help in clarifying this would be appreciated.





Bob G

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The Alexander Palace / Re: Alexandra's Private Chapel
« on: February 24, 2005, 09:15:01 AM »
I believe the Chapel was really part of the Imperial Bedroom.  In the section on the Imperial Bedroom in the AP site, it says

"To the right of the bed Alexandra had a small prayer chapel with a bible and ikons set into the corner. A votive light was kept burning here as well. The Empress spent long hours here praying for her son, Aleksey, who suffered from hemophilia, and for the protection of her husband. She kept her candles and other religious supplies tucked away in cabinets in the chapel. Priests came to the chapel to hear the confession of the Tsar, Tsaritsa and their family in the bedroom."

I think the term Chapel is referring to a location where Alix could pray, not a separate room.  The pictures of the Imperial Bedroom show the many Ikons and the votive lamps that were constantly kept burning.  It is possible the Alix used draperies to separate the "Chapel" area, but that's unclear in the text about the Imperial Bedroom.

Bob G


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News Links / Re: Michael Jayston
« on: February 22, 2005, 01:46:47 PM »
He starred as Nicholas II in the 1971 movie "Nicholas and Alexandra".  And I thought he did a great job in the role.
BobG

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News Links / Re: putin is the victim of the jews
« on: January 28, 2005, 10:05:39 AM »
This unprovoked attack on Jews should not be surprising to those watching Russian politics.   Putin's recent tightening of the noose around his "opponents" and those who are not part of his program to slowly but surely return to a centralized power base will naturally focus on groups who can be considered not part of the "party."  The Jewish Intellectuals have always been seen by those in power as a liberal and anti-establishment group.  It also plays on old Russian history(when it doubt, blame the Jews) and may take the spotlight off his recent losses in the Ukraine, and the "retirees revolt."  Anyone who thinks Putin is not behind this is very naive.
BobG

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The first picture is labeled as the Grand Salon and overlooks the Neva.

The second picture is the Grand Ballroom

The last picture with the knotted columns is the former Private Chapel.

Bob G

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The Alexander Palace / Re: Floorplan of the children's rooms?
« on: January 08, 2005, 08:26:40 AM »
From the previously posted Diagram of the Rooms of the Imperial Children (formerly on this site)
From the Bottom Right going up:

Maria and Anastasia's Classroom (you have it labeled as Lady in Waiting on duty)

Maid Marie Tutleberg

Maid Madeline Zanotti

Alexandra's Lady In Waiting (on Duty)

Chambermaid Elizabeth Nicholaevna Eltso

Nurse Alexandrovna Tegleva

Chambermaid Anna Yakovlevna Utkina

Chambermaid Elizabeth Ersberg

Chambermaid's Room (Looks like it could be their Bathing room)

Just found the diagram on the AP site with more details on the maids rooms:
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/maids.html

Hope the right wing details will be posted to the AP site soon.

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Forum Announcements / Re: "CALLING ALL FLOORPLANS!"
« on: November 17, 2004, 10:20:49 AM »
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Shuvalov Palace on Fontanka
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KAMENNOOSTROVSKY PALACE
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YELAGIN PALACE
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Finally got some plans scanned in.
BobG

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Forum Announcements / Re: "CALLING ALL FLOORPLANS!"
« on: November 17, 2004, 08:22:30 AM »
Londo,
go to http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Welcome;action=display;num=1095358587 for directions.  You'll probably need to set up an account in Photobucket (its free) and post them there and then copy the url to your posting.
Look forward to seeing your plans and drawings.
Bob

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Forum Announcements / Re: "CALLING ALL FLOORPLANS!"
« on: November 11, 2004, 09:22:19 AM »
Brian,
You have been generous with your posts and I think a thread with floorplans is a great idea.  My problem is that I do not have a scanner so posting them is difficult.  However, I will try to make arrangements with friends to scan in some plans.  I would recommend that we move many of the existing plans to this thread to begin the library.  Hopefully, we'll get others to share their documents with us.
Bob G

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The Alexander Palace / Re: Glass-roofed upper corridor
« on: November 06, 2004, 01:58:14 PM »
Bob,
I remember previously you posted the Children's wing of the AP on the web site, but what are the chances for a plan of the entire 2nd floor?  The above discussion has left me a little confused as to what areas we are referring to.
Thanks.
Bob G

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Here are some of my photos taken during the folklore show, which I would also recommend.
The Palace:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/BobG_AP/AP%20Discussion%20Board/Nicholovsky_Palace_3.jpg

The White Hall where the show takes place:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/BobG_AP/AP%20Discussion%20Board/Nickolovsky_Palace_WhiteHall.jpg

The Banqueting Hall where refreshments are served at the intermission
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/BobG_AP/AP%20Discussion%20Board/BanquetingHall.jpg

The stairway looking in the opposite direction from Antonio's looking down at the Main Foyer and Palace entrance.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/BobG_AP/AP%20Discussion%20Board/Nicholovsky_Palace_7.jpg

If anyone has plans of the palace available, please post them. I would love to see them.
Bob G

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The Alexander Palace / Glass-roofed upper corridor
« on: November 04, 2004, 08:15:46 AM »
In the book The End of the Romanovs by Victor Alexandrov quotes the memoirs of a Colonel Mstislavsky whose real name was Maslovsky as follows:

     “When the door opened with a sinister groan and we were at last in the entrance hall, we found ourselves surrounded by a respectful but curious throng of court retainers—their numbers seemed fantastic after the simplicity of the revolutionary days we had been living through.  An enormous haidouk, the size to Alexander’s monument at Trubetzhoy, wearing a bearskin as tall as a barrel; ‘runners’” court Negroes in crimson velvet jackets embroidered with gold, turbans on their head and long pointed slippers on their feet; footmen in three-cornered hats and red capes embroidered with the Imperial arms; valets in snow-white gaiters and polished shoes with felt soles—these preceded us up the stairs, running along the carpets.  After mounting the stairs we went through innumerable drawing rooms, banqueting-rooms, retiring rooms; outside the door of each room stood a motionless pair of lackeys wearing varied costumes answering to the purpose of the room to which they were posted, sometimes traditional black suits, sometimes white, black or red kuntuches.  In front of one door there were tow magnificently costumed valets in white stockings, polished shoes and absurd crimson head-bands held in place by hooks of tinsel.
     In a glass-roofed upper corridor used as a picture gallery, a little group of courtiers with Benkendorf as their head, was awaiting us.  They were wearing black frock coats buttoned up to the neck.
     A few yards beyond this group the corridor was crossed by another one, and it was from there that the ex-Emperor was to appear.  I put myself in the middle of the corridor with Benkendorf on my right and Prince Dolgoruky (Grand Marshall of the Court) and a civilian whose face I did not know on my left.  The officers who had accompanied me stood a little behind me.
     Somewhere on one side a lock clicked.  Benkdorf fell silent and smoothed his grey whiskers with a trembling hand.  The officers buttoned their gloves and stood to attention.  Hurried steps could be heard, and a faint clinking of spurs.  Romanov was wearing the khaki summer uniform of the Imperial hussars and his head was bare. With his habitual shoulder-movement, and rubbing his hands together as if he was washing, he stopped at the intersection of the corridors and turned towards us.  His face was red and chubby; his swollen, inflamed eyelids heavily framed his lusterless, leaden, bloodshot eyes.  He paused and seemed to hesitate for a moment, rubbed his hands together, and then walked towards our group.
     He seemed on the point of addressing us.  I looked at him, he looked at me.  There was dead silence.  Then suddenly the Emperors’s eye–yellow and fixed like that of a tired and hunted wolf—lit up.  In the depths of his pupils there suddenly shone a mortal hatred; it was as if a flame had suddenly melted the leaden indifference of his gaze.
     Nicholas stopped a moment, trod the ground, then abruptly turned and went away, jerking his shoulder.  I thereupon drew out my right hand from below my waist where it was thrust, raised it to my fur cap to salute the courtiers, and , to the tune of ill-mannered throat-clearing from Benkendorf who also spat, I turned to go. ‘You did wrong not to take off your cap,’ an officer told me; ‘the Emperor seemed to want to talk to you, but seeing the way you behaved…’ And another chimed in  with, ‘You’d better be careful.  If the Romanovs come back to power, you’ll be found at the bottom of the sea’”

Not only an interesting descripton of the servants, but I wondered if anyone can tell me more about this glass-roofed picture gallery?  Also, the books seems to say that the family was confined to the 2nd floor of the palace during their arrest.  I had not know that.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Millionnaya Street
« on: October 25, 2004, 07:23:38 AM »
I have been carefully following this thread in hopes of identifying two buildings I photographed on Millionnaya Street when I was there in 2002.  Maybe someone could tell me the numbers of the buildings shown in my pictures.
They are both on the same side of the street and adjacent to each other.  Through various methods, I have identified one as #12 but I'm not sure I'm right.  Any help would be appreciated.
Photo 1:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/BobG_AP/AP%20Discussion%20Board/12MillionairesStonright.jpg
Photo 2:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/BobG_AP/AP%20Discussion%20Board/MillionairesSt.jpg

Thanks as always.  
BobG

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Romanov and Imperial Russia Links / Re: Albert Stopford
« on: October 20, 2004, 08:07:16 PM »
In Serge Obolensky's book, One Man in His Time, he mentions some scandal involving Albert Stopford that caused him to leave England.  Does anyone know what it was all about?
BobG

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Meshchersk(aya)y Family
« on: October 19, 2004, 10:04:24 AM »
One thing I noticed is that the pictures of the Estate labeled Vesely Podol being destroyed for construction materials seems to match the description in the book of the other family estate Petroskoye.  I wondered if the photos were mislabled?
From the book pages 38-39:
"Not for nothing was Petrovskoye called unique.  In the center of the estate, there was a white stone palace, which was decorated with sixteen large columns and eight smaller ones on its four porticoes.  The building was surmounted by a dome covered with white copper, which shown blindingly both in summer and winter.  Two broad fan-shaped stairways led to the main doors, which were guarded by figures of sphinxes and roaring lions with paws upraised."

The pictures show the columns, the sweeping stairways and the lions.  I just assumed it was a translation error.
BobG

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