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I kind of wonder what you have happened if Olga's first marriage hadn't been childless. Would she be so lovestarved as to look outside her marriage, but also what a husband to provide her children. Would she been more likely to stay within royal circles since her son or daughter would have been a Prince or Princess of Oldenburg. If she had been a mother pre-WWI, would she have been more independent of her mother and eldest brother and therefore would have been as close as she was to her nieces.

Just a lot of "what if" stuff.

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The Danish Royal Family / Re: King Frederick IX & Queen Ingrid
« on: September 29, 2012, 11:46:02 AM »
Only other thing I read is a small mention that Olga was the one to call it off.

I was just reading another place that when he was the Crown Prince, King Frederick IX was engaged to his second cousin Princess Olga of Greece and Denmark (eldest daughter of Grand Duchess Elena Vladimirova of Russia and Prince Nicholas of Greece and Denmark). Anybody have more detail on lead-up to engagement and how it was broken off?

Here is a picture of Frederick and Olga in 1922.


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The Danish Royal Family / Re: King Frederick IX & Queen Ingrid
« on: September 29, 2012, 01:38:35 AM »
I was just reading another place that when he was the Crown Prince, King Frederick IX was engaged to his second cousin Princess Olga of Greece and Denmark (eldest daughter of Grand Duchess Elena Vladimirova of Russia and Prince Nicholas of Greece and Denmark). Anybody have more detail on lead-up to engagement and how it was broken off?

Here is a picture of Frederick and Olga in 1922.

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Grand Duke Ludwig IV
« on: September 05, 2012, 10:36:12 AM »
Not to get into the whole The Hague versus Darmstadt stuff, but while people are making a case the Ludwig IV of Hesse-Darmstadt has been treated unfairly and unkindly by historians, I also wonder about poor Prince Willem, Prince of Orange. There really isn't much on him which pretty big gaps in his story. I know this topic isn't about him, but still wish there was more info (his own diaries and corresponce and other stuff like that).

If you say you were there and did not find much to appeal to you I think you can hardly have known Alice's Darmstadt?! :)

I am quite pleased that her parents did not marry her to a drunken womanizer - and knowing the troubles the Princess Royal had to face at the Berlin court it is easy to understand why her parents chose a smaller court for their 2nd daughter.

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Prince Frederick and the Princess Royal were already engaged by April 1855 when Princess Elisabeth of Wied was only nine years old, so unless it's mentioned in some document from that era, seems Wied was a real candidate in any sense. Wikipedia (I know not always the greater source) mentions that Prince Frederick's father hoped he would marry a Russian Grand Duchess (his father's favourite sister, Charlotte, was the Russian Empress). But that doesn't make much sense to me since looking at the Grand Duchesses around, there was Grand Duchess Catherine Mikhailovna, but she was already married by 1851 and she was also four years older then Prince Frederick so that is unlikely in the extreme. Then the other Grand Duchesses were all little children (Grand Duke Nicholas's daughters Olga (b. 1851) and Vera (b. 1854) and the Emperor's daughter Marie (b. 1853)). Seems unlikely the Prussia court would accept the Emperor's niece Maria since she was a not a royal in the male-line with her paternal grandfather being Napoleon Bonaparte's step-son. Maybe Alexandra of Oldenburg (granddaughter of Emperor Alexander I's favourite sister, Catherine) since she was considered part of the Romanov family, but that seems unlikely since you think somebody in this forum would have mentioned her earlier.

Also just looking around for Protestant princesses around at that time who were closer in age to Prince Frederick, but that would just be speculation on my part.

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Something I've wondered about what whether there were other potential brides for then Prince Frederick of Prussia besides the Princess Royal? Just seems like whatever I read about him, it's only her that's mentioned, but there have been other royal candidates pushed for by other people, right?

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Grand Duke Ludwig IV
« on: August 31, 2012, 11:50:22 AM »
I also find it kind of neat the only two daughters of Queen Victoria to live abroad were from marriages arranged during Prince Albert's lifetime and wondered if he had lived, would the others have been more likely to also marry abroad. It was Prince Albert who initially favored Princess Alice marrying the heir of the Dutch throne so just wondering if he didn't want his daughters married to more highly placed royals and living outside Britain compared to what happened after he died when Queen Victoria made all her remaining daughters marry lowly placed royals (although Princess Louise married a Scottish peer) and live nearby her. It's that weird thing of Queen Victoria both taking no comfort in her children and somewhat loathing them, but also what them to remain close to her.

I also wonder if Belgian King Leopold I didn't have some influence in preventing a marriage between Princess Alice and the Prince of Orange since he was pretty at odds with the Dutch Royal Family over his new kingdom although the Prince of Orange probably did a lot to discredit himself.

Also King William III of the Netherlands was kind of eager to abdicate from the start of his reign so having a daughter-in-law from one of the most power monarchies with a secure succession (although hemophilia might have had an effect in that being not quite so sucure) would have made it easier for King William III to abdicate although don't have to get ahead of myself with too many "what if" scenarios.

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Grand Duke Ludwig IV
« on: August 30, 2012, 06:45:38 PM »
This is a letter from Queen Sophie of the Netherlands to her friend Lady Malet

The Hague, November 8, 1860

I passed and spent a few hours at Darmstadt, and the Grand Duchess is always kind and open for me. I ask her if the Prince (who was returned to his Russian duties) would marry the English princess. She said “Yes, but not yet. It was postponed.” I got from others, Scharff(?) among them, that the Grand Duke and Grand Duchess were extremely adverse to the marriage and had declared they had no[i/] palaces to give them, but the Prince’s parents (mother especially) were set on it. The boy himself would prefer another – I must say that Darmstadt in the winter appeared to me something awful and the idea of an English princess doomed to live there something very near Puratory, if not worse. I did no see the Princess Charles, mother to the boy, she had a swollen face.

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Just reading the wikipedia entry for Infante Afonso, Duke of Porto that he was engaged to Archduchess Marie Valerie until her uncle's wife, Marie Therese of the exiled Miguelist branch of the House of Braganza, helped put an end to end.



Just wondering if there is more information on it.

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The Hohenzollern / Re: Mecklenburg-Schwerin
« on: August 28, 2012, 03:44:22 PM »
Is it 100% positive that this is a photograph is of his first wife? It's just that I've seen that photograph used somewhere else for his second wife, Princess Anna of Hesse-Darmstadt.

These next are of his first wife Auguste of Reuss-Schleiz-Köstritz (1822-1862). Her death devastated him.

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Queen Marie José of Italy (her mother was a Wittlesbach) mentioned the same thing in her autobiography about Kings Ludwig II and Otto inheriting their insanity from their maternal side rather then the Wittlebachs.

I read in French Wikipedia that the madness of Ludwig and Otto derived more from Maria's famiily than from Maximilian's one.
Does anyone know if madness previously appeared in Hohenzollern family?

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Did Pedro and Stephanie never meet before she arrived into Portugal after their proxy marriage in Berlin?

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Iberian Royal Families / Re: The children of Alfonso XIII of Spain
« on: July 17, 2012, 02:44:23 PM »
Was reading on Wikipedia that Princess Kira, daughter of pretender to the throne Grand Duke Cyril, was interested in Alfonso, Prince of Asturias, but she was disapointed when she found out he was interested in her first cousins, the daughters of Prince Nicholas of Greece (no source was shown).

Pausible, but just wondering if folks here who are more well-read have more info on this?

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That picture of Crown Prince Georg must have been taken during WW1, as he is in field grey and wearing the Iron Cross.

You are correct. The painting was done in 1916 by Dresden-born painter Robert Sterl.


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'Nicholas would never have considered placing his eldest daughter in a position where she was likely to fall for a Catholic - and a mere Royal Highness - unless she were allowed to retain her own faith.'

Maybe this was why the King of Saxony came on his 1914 visit without his sons!

Ann

Was just reading about how there were rumours at the Imperial Court when the King of Saxony came that his intention was Olga's hand in marriage to the Crown Prince of Saxony, but even the author dismisses it as coming from the uninformed.


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