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Mediatized Noble Families / Re: Daisy Princess of Pless
« on: July 11, 2011, 11:59:28 PM »
Page 52

Speaking of Bendor

“His natural glamour was much enhanced by his position as his grandfather’s heir, which made him infinitely desirable to any number of flirtatious young women and their fortune-hunting mamas. Unfortunately, aside from sporting pursuits, there was nothing particular he wanted to do; he had no special talent, and so much money that he had no reason to show any initiative or determination.  His grandfather, at seventy-two, was as vigorous as he had been twenty years earlier, and it seemed likely he would continue to run things for another ten or fifteen years.  The Duke envisaged Bendor spending more time with him in London as he trained him to administer the Grosvenor Estate, but there was no rush. ‘Plenty of time, let the boy enjoy himself,’ was the family attitude.

  In August Bendor went to spend a week-end with the Cornwallis-Wests.  He had celebrated his 18th birthday in March, and Shelagh her 21st in May.  According to Princess Daisy, they told her parents they wished to marry, but the Cornwallis-Wests were clever enough to say Bendor must discuss it first with his grandfather.  Marriage to a fortune-hunting Cornwallis-West was the last thing the Duke had in mind for his grandson and he was most emphatic that Bendor was far too young to know his own mind.  It would be much wiser for him to go abroad.  Shelagh’s parents quite agreed that no one should do anything hasty, but how they must have gritted their teeth at such a rich prize slipping from their grasp!”

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Mediatized Noble Families / Re: Daisy Princess of Pless
« on: July 11, 2011, 11:43:43 PM »
Quoting from Leslie Field's Bendor The Golden Duke of Westminster

Bendor by Leslie Field

Page 46

“Although the Cornwallis-Wests were members of the raffish ‘Marlborough House set’, they lived on a very small income, and Patsy’s financial ambitions were firmly established when her two daughters were still tiny children: they must marry rich husbands.”

“To emphasize her youthfulness, the children were taught to treat Patsy like a sister and always called her by her Christian name.  Their father was ‘Poppets’, Mary ‘Daisy’, George ‘Buzzy’, and Constance, ‘Shelagh’or ‘Biddy’.  While Patsy devoted herself to a life of pleasure, her daughters, were pretty well allowed to run wild.  What was unusual was the way in which George was brought up.  Unreasoningly Patsy loather him, and when he misbehaved she locked him up in a dark cupboard under the staircase, deaf to his howls of fear and misery.  She convinced her husband that instead of sending him to preparatory school, he should go to the local Ruthin Grammar Free School and , as added punishment, he was not given any pocket money.  The other boys, who expected the Squire’s son to be rich, did not believe this and bullied him into buying sweets for them.  When he could not pay a tenpence-halfpenny bill and the account was sent home, his mother gave it to the headmaster, who administered a sound thrashing.  Poor George made his painful way home, not only sore and bruised, but ‘boiling with rage at the injustice’”

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Mediatized Noble Families / Re: Daisy Princess of Pless
« on: July 08, 2011, 11:02:16 PM »
To understand Daisy, Princess of Pless, one must understand her mother, Lady Olivia Fitzpatrick, who was the daughter of the 2nd Marquess of Headfort.  I quote from Leslie Field’s Bendor- the Golden Duke of Westminster ISBN 0 297 78046 8;

“When her elder daughter was seventeen, Patsy was still only thirty-four.  Accustomed to flirtation and flattery, the last thing she wanted was grown-up daughters following at her heels and it was made clear to Daisy and Shelagh that they must find a husband during their first season.  So Daisy ‘came out’ and, wearing her first long dress ith a train, was presented at Court.  Less than three months later she was engaged to one of the richest men in Europe, Prince Hans Heinrich of Pless.  He had been sent to London as Third Secretary at the German Embassy in the hope that he might meet and marry Princess May of Teck”

One should remember that the impoverished Cornwallis-Wests were forced by their mother to marry the richest men they could.  Mary (Daisy) married one of the richest aristocrats in Europe and her sister Constance (Shelagh) married the richest Duke in England.  Their mother constantly charged bills to her sons in law and lived at their expense in their homes much to their chagrin.

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Mediatized Noble Families / Re: Daisy Princess of Pless
« on: July 08, 2011, 08:35:25 PM »
CountessKate, I have read nearly all of Daisy, Princess of Pless’ books: Princess Daisy of Pless by Herself, Better Left Unsaid, What I left Unsaid.  I have not read the Private Diaries of Princess Daisy of Pless, but in order to get a more unbiased understanding of her, I started to read some of the diaries or memoires of her contemporaries, those of Captain Frederick Ponsonby, 1st Baron Sysonby, he was equerry and Acting Private Secretary to King Edward VII, donna Vittoria Caetani, duchess of Sermoneta, Lady in Waiting to the Queen of Italy, and the many books by Lady Walpurga von Hohenthal Paget.  I’m sure that the Princess of Pless was no more vain than other professional Beauties of her day, such as Lady de Grey, Lady Brooke, Duchess of Leinster, Lady Mary Mill, and lastly the Ladies Londonderry, Dalhousie, and Ormonde.  The Princess of Pless had admirers and flatterers including herself.  That is why I take all her writings with a grain of salt.

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Mediatized Noble Families / Re: Daisy Princess of Pless
« on: July 08, 2011, 08:12:59 PM »
Robert Hall,  It’s amazing to think that Ghislain de Diesbach is writing and well in Paris.  He also has written wonderful books on Madame de Staël, Princess Bibesco, and L’abbé Mugnier.  I know a grand-nephew of his who lives in Switzerland.  The de Diesbach de Belleroche family is one most famous Catholic aristocratic families of Switzerland.

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Mediatized Noble Families / Re: Daisy Princess of Pless
« on: July 05, 2011, 12:32:11 PM »
I have just finished reading a chapter on the Mecklenburgs in Ghislain de Diesbach's Secrets of the Gotha. " It was said that he had been the lover of Princess Daisy  of Pless, a famous beauty of the period, whom William II had idolised platonically, and that the emperor , in order to dispose of his rival(Adolphus-Frederick VI), had threatened to expose certain facts damaging to his honor as a German prince.  So he during a walk through the forest he committed suicide a few months before the fall of the empire.  Death was said to be accidental, but the truth was soon known, although the reasons for his action remained obscure."  I was wondering if anyone else has heard of this or read any memoirs that allude to this episode?

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French Royals / Re: napoleonic nobility
« on: February 01, 2011, 09:18:46 PM »
LuAnn de Lesseps, self styled Countess LuAnn or The Countess (born May 17, 1965) is an American television personality, recording artist, socialite, and former fashion model best known for her appearances on the Bravo show The Real Housewives of New York City. Her title comes from her previous marriage to Frenchman Alexandre de Lesseps, a descendant of Ferdinand de Lesseps, the architect of the Suez Canal.

Ferdinand Marie, Vicomte de Lesseps, GCSI (19 November 1805 – 7 December 1894) was the French developer of the Suez Canal, which joined the Mediterranean and Red Sea in 1869, and substantially reduced sailing distances and times between the West and the East.  He was made vicomte de Lesseps by Emperor Napoleon III, therefore a member of Napoleonic nobility.

Here are two marriages that show a mix of Napoleonic nobility with the nobility of the Ancien Régime:

•   Ferdinande de Lesseps (Paris, 3 December 1872 - Paris, 4 May 1948), married firstly in Paris on 10 May 1890 to Ferdinand de Gontaut-Biron (Paris, 11 November 1868 - Château de Kimpempois, 6 December 1898), of the Marquesses of Saint-Blacard, by whom she had a son Ferdinand de Gontaut-Biron (Paris, 25 January 1892 - Paris, 2 February 1892), and married secondly François-Joseph de Cassagne de Beaufort, Marquis de Miramon (1867–1932)

•   Marie Solange de Lesseps (Château de La Chesnaye, Guilly, Vatan, Indre, 17 September 1877 - ?), married in Paris on 12 January 1910 to Don Fernando Mexía y Fitz-James-Stuart (Biarritz, 22 October 1881 - ?), 6th Duke of Tamames, 3rd Duke of Galisteo and 12th Count of Mora, and had issue

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Matchabelli
« on: January 20, 2011, 02:27:30 PM »
Then, you may want to get in contact with:

http://www.georgianassociation.org/

to learn more of Prince George's family members.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Matchabelli
« on: January 19, 2011, 06:01:00 PM »
Machabeli (sing. Georgian: მაჩაბელი; pl. მაჩაბლები, Machablebi) was a Georgian princely house (tavadi) which held a large fiefdom (satavado) in the province of Inner Kartli (central Georgia) called Samachablo after their family name.
The origin of the family is not clear. According to a traditional account, they descended from one of the princes of the Abkhaz-Georgian feudal clan of Anchabadze who had fled the disorders in Abkhazia. Another version holds it that the Machabeli were an offshoot of the Tavkhelidze family who adopted their dynastic name after the village of Achabeti on the Great Liakhvi River where their initial domain was located. Beginning with the 15th century, the Machabeli grew in prominence and held various important posts at the court of the Georgian kings of Kartli. Their fiefdom, Samachablo, covered a significant portion of what is now South Ossetia, and enjoyed a degree of autonomy within the Kingdom of Kartli from c. 1470 to 1800 when Georgia was annexed to Imperial Russia. The Machabeli house was confirmed in princely dignity by the Russian Tsar in 1850.  From 1932 until his death, Matchabelli also served as President of the Georgian Association in the United States. Georges died in 1935. His grave can be seen at:
 
taken from http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=8553178


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Russian Noble Families / Re: Matchabelli
« on: January 19, 2011, 05:59:27 PM »
Prince Matchabelli is a perfume line and fashion line. It was first designed by Prince Georges V. Matchabelli who was an amateur chemist. Georges Matchabelli was a Georgian prince and Georgian ambassador to Italy, but fled the Soviet Union and immigrated to the United States after the Russian Revolution. In New York City he and his wife, Princess Norina Matchabelli (an actress whose stage name was Maria Carmi), opened a small antiques shop Le Rouge et le Noir at 545 Madison Avenue. They later established the Prince Matchabelli Perfume Company in 1926. Perfumes were personally blended for clients by Prince Matchabelli. The first three perfumes were Princess Norina, Queen of Georgia and Ave Maria. The company became known for the many color-coded, crown-shaped bottles designed by Norina after the Matchabelli crown and introduced in 1928 with labels on the underside.
 
taken from Wikipedia

Hope this helps as preliminary information.

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The Windsors / Re: Prince William and Kate Middleton
« on: January 16, 2011, 05:39:12 PM »
It was reported that the palace did not want to burden young Katherine with legacy of the title of Princess of Wales, which is indelibly linked to Diana, Princess of Wales.  Also, my understanding is that the Queen, being the font of honors, may request that the Dukedom of Cambridge be bestowed on her grandchild Prince William and his wife.

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The Windsors / Re: Prince William and Kate Middleton
« on: January 16, 2011, 02:14:13 PM »
What title for Kate?  Yahoo is reporting that she will be known as Duchess of Cambridge.  Is this common title for the grandson of the monarch- Duke of Cambridge?

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Forum Announcements / Re: German and French speakers?
« on: January 10, 2011, 04:43:01 PM »
Arme Sprache / langue pauvre :
Liechtensteinisch und luxemburgisch - was ist das auf Englisch?
Liechtensteinois et luxembourgeois -  qu'est-ce que c'est en anglais ?


It is Luxembourgish but unsure about Liechtenstein.  Most say, of Liechtenstein, for ex.  the people of L., the culture of L., etc.....rather than Liechtensteinish.

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Having Fun! / Re: What's the weather like at your place?
« on: December 23, 2010, 11:01:55 AM »
Los Angeles has had rain for nearly 9 days.

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