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The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth's epistolary - poems/letters...
« on: February 07, 2009, 08:22:03 AM »
Before the crownation of king and queen of Hungary Elisabeth was in Budapest and Franz was in Vienna, she kept him informed of every political move, following the daily reports of the parliamentary debates in the newspapers and sending him detailed accounts of her conversations with the various liberal statesmen. In her teasing, Ironic fashion she wrote to Franz:

I realize more and more how extraordinarily clever I am and that you have not got a sufficiently high opinion of my superior intelligence.

The villa sisi rented in Hungary was to small for longer stays in the country, the Budapest Castle was too hot in summer; she wanted a castle in the countryside, and she knew exactly which one: Gödöllö.
In the midst of armistice negotiations with Italy, Franz wrote to Elisabeth:

If you like, you can go to Gödöllö to visit the wounded. But do not look at it as if we wanted to buy it, for I have no money now, and in these hard times, we must economize rigorously.
Even the family holdings have been terribly devastated by the Prussians, and it will take years before they recover. I have reduced the court budget for next year to 5 million, so that we have to economize 2 million. almost half the stables have to be sold, and we have to live in very reduced circumstances.

Elisabeth wrote her husband a month after the crownation when she was ill..but prehaps pregnant of Marie-Valerie:

Prehaps im expecting. During this uncertainty, the Salzburg visit is very depressing. I could weep all day long, that is how infinitely sad I am. My dear soul, comfort me, I need it very much. I have lost all interest, I do not want to go riding or walking, All, All is vanity.

On one of their walks, Elisabeth asked Countess Marie Festetics in hungarian:
"Aren't you suprised that i live like a hermit?"
And she went on to explain:
I have no alternative but to coose this life. In the great worls, I have been so persecuted, so many evil things have been said about me, I have been so malinged, been so deeply offended and hurt, and God sees my soul, sees that I have never done anything evil. So i thought I would find a society that does not disturb my peace and offers me pleasure.
The forest does not hurt me...Nature is much more rewarding than Humanity.

This is what Elisabeth told one of her ladies-in-waiting somewhere in 1872.

"I was...certainly not raised to be an Empress, and I know that a great deal is lacking in my upbringing, but I have never done anything improper, as God is my witness.
I had opportunity. They would have liked to seperate me from the Emperor."
A Poem Elisabeth wrote about prince Edward of wales( later King Edward VIII):

Wir sassen im Drawing-room gemütlich beisammen
Prince Eduard und ich.
Er raspelte Süssholz und schwärmte,
Er sagte, er liebte mich.
Er rückte sehr nah und nahm meine Hand,
Und lispelte: "Dear cousin, wie wär's?"
Ich lachte von herzen und drohte:
"There is somebody coming upstairs"
Wir lauschten, es war aber nichts,
Und weiter ging das lustige spiel.
Sir Eduard ward mutig,
Ja, er wagte auch viel.
Ich wehrte mich nicht, es war interessant,
Ich lachte: "Dear cousin, wie wär's?"
Da ward er verlegen und flüsterte leis:
"There is somebody coming upstairs."

Translated to English:
We were sitting cosily together in the drawing room,
Prince Edward and I.
He whispered sweet nothings and raved on,
He said that he loved me.
He drew very close and took my hand,
And whispered, Dear Cousin, How about it?
I laughed with all my heart and warned him,
"There is somebody coming upstairs."
We listened, but it was nothing.
And the merry game went on.
Sir Edward grew bold,
Yes, and very daring.
I did not protest, it was interesting,
I laughed, "Dear cousin, how about it?"
At that he grew embarrassed and whispered softly,
"There is somebody coming upstairs."

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth's epistolary - poems/letters...
« on: February 07, 2009, 08:21:31 AM »
I found some letters in books.. i will post some of them here when i see new ones..:

Franz joseph to his mother sophie somewhere in 1856:

I beg you most earnestly to judge Sisi with forbearance if prehaps she is too jealous a mother. after all, she is such a devoted wife and mother! if you would be gracious enough to think about the matter calmly, you will prehaps understand our feelings of pain at seeing our children enclosed in your apartments with an almost joint anteroom, while poor Sisi, who is often so heavy, must pant her way up the stairs,only rarely to find the children alone, even to find them among strangers if you were gracious enough to show off the children, which shortens especially the few moments I have to spend with the children, aside from the fact that showing off the children, thereby making them conceited, horrifies me; wherein, by the way, I may be wrong. By the way, it never occurs to Sisi to wish to deprive you and tell you that they will always be entirely at your disposal.
Marie Festetics wrote this in her diary when Elisabeth showed her laxenburg..cause everytime she got there she never forget to refer her sad honeymoon..:

Elisabeth went from room to room, said of each room what it was, but without more detailed commentary, untill finally she stopped in a corner room where a desk stood between windows and a desk chair before it ; she stood quiet as a mouse for a long time, suddenly she said: "...Here i wept alot Marie. The mere thought of that time constricts my heart. I was here after my wedding... I felt so abandoned,so lonely. Of course the Emperor could not be here during the day, early every morning he went to Vienna. At six o'clock he returned for dinner. Until then I was alone all day long and was afraid of the moment when Archduchess Sophie came. For she came every day, to spy on what I was doing at any hour. I was completely á la merci of this completely malicious woman. Everything I did was bad. She passed disparaging judgements on anyone I loved. She found out everything because she never stopped prying. The whole house feared her so much that everyone trembled. Of course they told her everything. The smallest thins was an affair of state."
E. to Marie Festetics about the time in the 1850s when she was alone in laxenburg:

Once I requested the emperor to take me along to Vienna.
I spent the whole day there with him. For one day I did not see her(Archduches Sophie)... but no sooner had we arrived back home in the evening, than she came running over. She forbade me to do anything like that ever again.
She reviled me so much because it is unseemly for an Empress to go running after her husband and to drive back and forth like a cadet. Ofcourse after that it was stopped.
The ultimatum.

I wish to have reserved to me absolute authority in all matters concerning the childer, the choice of the people around them, the place of their residence, the complete supervision of their education, in a word, everything is left entirely to me to decide, untill the moment of their majority. I further wish that, whatever concerns my personal affairs, such as, among others, the choice of the people around me, the place of my residence, all arrangements in the house etc. be reserved to me alone to decide.
Ischl, 27 August 1865.
On 15th of July, Elisabeth wrote Franz Joseph that she had just come from a meeting with Andrássy:

Alone, of course. He(Andrássy) expressed his views clearly and precisely.
I understood them and gained the conviction that, if you trust him, but Entirely, we, and not Hungary alone, but the Monarchy, can still be saved. But you must at least speak with him yourself, and I mean at once, for each day can shape events in such a way that in the end he would no longer assume it; at such a moment it really does require a very large sacrifice to do it. So speak with him at once. You can do so frankly, for I can give you this assurance, you are not dealing with a man who wants to play a part at any price, who stives for a position, quite the contrary, he is jeopardizing his present position, which is a handsome one.
But like any man of honor, he is also prepared, at the moment when the state is facing ruin, to contribute all in his power to salvage it; whatever he has, his reason, his influence in the country, he will place at your feet. For the last time, I beg you in the name of Rudolf, do not let the last opportunity slip by.
I beg you, send me a telegram the minute you receive my letter whether Andrássy should take the evening train to Vienna. I am asking him to come again tomorrow to Paula ( Paula Königsegg, her chatelaine), where I will give him an answer.
If you say "No", if you are unwilling at the final hour even to listen to disinterested advice any longer then you are in fact acting yo us all.
In that case, you will be forever spared my further please and molestations, and I have nothing to fall back on but to reassure myself with the knowledge that, whatever happens, I will one day be able honestly to tell Rudolf, "I did all in my power. Your misfortune does not weigh on my conscience."

The Habsburgs / Palaces,residencies, estates of the Habsburgs
« on: February 07, 2009, 05:46:11 AM »
cool...u got more of this things?

The Habsburgs / Palaces,residencies, estates of the Habsburgs
« on: February 07, 2009, 05:22:14 AM »
yes me 2..
i ordered a book on an austrian website its called : die habsburger und das übersinnliche, die weiße frau in der hofburg und andere phänomene..
that book is about ghostly stuff around the habsburger..
so i hope it comes in soon..than i maybe can tell more..
but if anybody else knows stories and stuff about this subject.. please post it here!

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« on: February 07, 2009, 05:19:55 AM »
@ Ingrid Alexie:
Yes it was a common thing..but she was extravagant.. and she always did what she wanted not how the court wanted there is another reason..
and its an anchor because she loves the sea.. she even once said that she was the female flying dutchman that sails around the seas..:p

@Irina Alexandrovna :
For all i know is that the book is only in german.. and i have it in german so i translated it to english(but only that part..not the whole book :p) so everyone here on the forum could read it..cause not everybody can speak german..:)

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« on: February 06, 2009, 04:15:36 PM »
as you can see in my other reply with the text from her daughters diary it was in 1888.. so yes it was in her older years..

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« on: February 06, 2009, 03:51:15 PM »
So it is true. I saw the trailer, seems to be good and I've seen it three times now so it should be true, and if Brigitte Hamann said she had one it is probably true since she is one of the best historians on her life.
yes and its in the diary of sisi's daughter as you can see ;)

Having Fun! / Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
« on: February 06, 2009, 03:50:25 PM »
it is made by ZDF ORF and a italian chanel..

I've seen it on austrian websites..
when i find the url i will place it.. but dont got much time to look for it right now!

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« on: February 06, 2009, 03:42:29 PM »
in corfu end of september she went to corfu and returned to miramare on 30 november so between that time

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« on: February 06, 2009, 03:32:12 PM »
its also shown that she has that tattoo in the documentation show on a DVD u can by in schönnbrun its called the enigma of an empress..
Here a short trailer from youtube about that you can see the anchor tattood on her shoulder:
.. and in the book of brigitte hamann and other books but i dont remember the names
even her daughter marie-valerie wrote it in her diary..
I got the diary so i will look for the text in it..
i will write it here(translated to english):

3. December 1888:
Mama(sisi) thinks the christmas present is beautifull. We talked about all kinds of things, when Papa(franz joseph)came in the room and asked me(marie valerie), if i cried about the terrible suprise , that mama had A anchor on her shoulder, what i think is so original and not so horrible. " oh no", sighed mama, "i rather cried about an other suprise".
papa: "well?". Mama: "she(marie valerie)wants to tell Franz( franz salvator), that he her chosen one is.".
Papa in a short manner : "What does that mean?"...

and so it goes on...


The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« on: February 06, 2009, 07:42:41 AM »
but it does make sense.. when the ship hits a storm and they are gonna sink.. they do have nothing to loose cause the would be dead anyway..

Having Fun! / Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
« on: February 06, 2009, 06:06:50 AM »
Another documentary about Sisi with playing actors and Brigitte Hamann. (ZDF television)

You can watch here:,1872,7489489,00.html
yes i saw that one on TV.. it was around christmas i think..

and there is gonna be a new movie about sisi and it would be in 2 parts
with the italian actress Cristiana Capotondi playing sisi and  Martina Gedeck  playing archduchess sophie.
who's gonna play for franz they do not know yet..
the film shall be taped in austria germany italie and france and that will start in 2 months
the stage manager/director is the austrian Xaver Schwarzenberger.

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« on: February 06, 2009, 06:01:21 AM »
She did had an anchor tattood on her shoulder..
in her later years she didn't do much horse riding and traveled alot through the oceans..with heavy storms she was the only one on deck and her ladies in waiting (irma sztaray wrote it in her book) got seesick and Sisi even once said she rather like to be on a boat with people who were convicted to death cause they got nothing to lose...

The Habsburgs / Palaces,residencies, estates of the Habsburgs
« on: February 05, 2009, 05:51:22 AM »
im so curious..

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« on: February 05, 2009, 05:47:22 AM »
Her dog shaddow and housegard are burried in the gardens of gödöllö..!

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