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A couple of points regarding the 'Senarclens' ancestry of the Battenbergs:
1)  Julia Haucke was the incumbent of the title of 'Princess Battenberg' - her husband was not mentioned in the letters patent - this seems strange as normally the husband would receive the honour. Historians seem to concur on this point and agree that the honour was given to her as Alexander was not recognised as a Hesse. He was eventually recognised as OF the 'House of Hesse', but not as the legitimate son of the then grandDuke
2) I am a Loriol descendant and my father was quite a good friend of Prince Philip. the latter always wrote and talked to him as 'cousin'. It is widely, but not generally, acknowledged that the Loriols cousin with the Mountbattens, especially in Switzerland where titles and ancestry does not count for much.

French Royals / Re: Illegitimate Children of the French Royals
« on: March 14, 2009, 04:28:56 AM »
I have seen a few pictures of her and I have a few in my books. Right now my scanner is down, but I can scan them in when it's back and running.

To me she looks a lot like her mother.

According to the book I have...the one I mentioned in a previous post here is the big intro of Pellapra:

"Caroline immediately sent the news to Napoleon by courier. Nobody, however, seems to have informed him of the birth of his other child, which had occurred in Lyons on 11 November. The mother was Francoise-Marie-Emilie Pellapra, the pretty scatterbrain whom he had met in Lyons in the spring of 1805 and who had eagerly followed him to Paris to be seduced in an alcove adjoining his map-room in the Tuileries. She was slim and attractive, dark-haired and blue-eyed, married to a dour minor government official who was far from appreciating the honor conferred on his wife by the Emperor. Later, when Napoleon heard of the birth and rewarded the cuckolded husband with a post as tax collector, Alain Pellapra relented a little, but his first instinct was to deny paternity of the child. After sending Francoise back to her native Lyons for the birth, he insisted on the child being left there with his mother-in-law, Madame Louise Leroy. The baby girl was given a mixture of her mother's names, her grandmother's and that of Napoleon's deceived wife, for it was still popular to name children after Our Lady of Victories, the gracious Josephine, and Madame Pellapra was giddy-minded enough not to see anything odd in it. For most of the next four years little Emilie-Louise-Marie-Francoise-Josephine stayed in the Leroy apartment in the center of Lyons. From the balcony she could peep across the plain of Les Brotteaux, the scene of some of the most hideous atrocities of the Revolution. Day by day her cheeks plumped into an Italian chubbiness, her small nose gently curved into a budgerigar beak. There could be no doubt she was a Bonaparte."

Well...I don't know. She doesn't resemble the Bonaparte's that much. And really? An alcove of a map-room?

I have a vested interest in the Leroy family of Lyon as I am descended from it. A keen amateur genealogist and a published historian, I have studied in varying degrees of depth, the Leroy family, especially at the time of Napoleon.
There is no doubt that the Leroys owed their 'national' importance' to Napoleon - the brothers Leroy, Printers and Editors of a thriving concern, virtually ruled Lyon in the fifteen years of Napoleon's 'reign'. He was a constant visitor to both brothers, Amable and Michel (Michel was my ancestor), to their houses in Lyon and Paris. According to the few letters that remain in the family, Napoleon was chez Amable in 1805, for a couple of fleeting visits. He did shower the family with gifts and important posts. When he disappeared the Leroys were hounded from Lyon by the patriciate as 'Nouveaux', although they were a respectable leading family of Riom whose services to the community and to the nation had been greater than most of the patriciate of Lyon. Napoleonic gifts have descended to various descendants of Mlle Leroy, yet the question as to her father remains unanswreed, except that her mother was pregnant when she married Pellapra, and Pellapra seemd to have been granted rather too prestigious posts for his mediocre talents!

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