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Research Russian Roots / Re: Anybody here with Huguenot of noble German roots in St.Petersburg?

« on: July 19, 2021, 03:24:31 PM »

Wikipedia about Huguenots:

The new teaching of John Calvin attracted sizeable portions of the nobility and urban bourgeoisie.

A few Huguenot families went to Orthodox Russia and Catholic Quebec.

Somewhere in some Wikipedia was also told that some French royals were taken among the 'German' royals. Sounds good to me and then ended in St.Petersburg???

I have started to think it was strange we were told at school St.Petersburg had a foreign upper class... Who were then 'those foreigners'?

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Russian Imperial Medals, Orders, Uniforms & Militaria / Re: A strange badge and a St. Vladimir Cross??? Somebody's identity?

« on: July 19, 2021, 01:52:07 PM »

Thank you so very much for your kind answers in an other topic chain in Russian Roots.

http://zielenski.narod.ru/Alma-Mater_Technical-University.html

This seems to be just what I have been looking for. But now I don't know how to go on with this matter. I suppose the Technical University has lists of names of their former students. However, I don't know Russian and cannot put here the name of the person whose identity information / Russian background I am looking for. However, I have his Russian identity card with photo from times of the Revolution as well as his identity card he got from a foreign consulate in Sevastopol in 1920. I would like to know the family background of this person and connect him to his Russian roots even if I think there might be some problems - do there. 

19th of July,2021

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Research Russian Roots / Re: Could this "mark" tell something of some family with Russian roots?

« on: July 19, 2021, 01:49:01 PM »

Thank you so very much for your kind answers.

http://zielenski.narod.ru/Alma-Mater_Technical-University.html

This seems to be just what I have been looking for. But now I don't know how to go on with this matter. I suppose the Technical University has lists of names of their former students. However, I don't know Russian and cannot put here the name of the person whose identity information / Russian background I am looking for. However, I have his Russian identity card with photo from times of the Revolution as well as his identity card he got from a foreign consulate in Sevastopol in 1920. I would like to know the family background of this person and connect him to his Russian roots even if I think there might be some problems - do there. 

19th of July,2021

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Research Russian Roots / Re: Is here anybody who often uses genealogical sites like MyHeritage, Ancestors etc

« on: July 19, 2021, 12:32:37 AM »

A long ago i ended on the site by the name JewAge Organisation (www.jewage.org) as our name had ended there even if it is impossible a Jewish surname.

In case you are looking for your background and Russian roots it might even be worth to check in case your surname has ended there in spite of you having a Jewish background or not and check what you can find there.

It is funny how first names like Alexander and Vladimir belonging to some Saints - even naturally belonging to some real persons of blood and flesh - appear in combination with names that might be 'something'...

The Wikipedia article 'Jews' is very informative in case one knows only little about the places where Jews have been living...

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Research Russian Roots / Re: Is here anybody who often uses genealogical sites like MyHeritage, Ancestors etc

« on: July 18, 2021, 11:08:39 PM »

This text I have written on the chain about Their world and culture.

What other information is there to know about old Russian noble surnames other than e.g. lists of noble names and houses you can find on internet?

I read somewhere that if some noble man had some child outside marriage the child could get his father's name maybe transferred with some letter. Do you know any other cases like this where some surname is changed somewhat - maybe with only one letter?

Somewhere I even read: there were other very old ruler families (and there were added than the Romanovs)... What old ruler families there are of this kind? Somewhere I even read that even Alexander Nevsky might have some descendants. If this is really true shouldn't some names of such persons be mentioned somewhere on the history pages? As you understand I know very little about Russian history, but I understand that in case such persons might really exists they impossible could carry that old surname. Could a similar case be the Rurik-family - St. Vladimir?

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Research Russian Roots / Is here anybody who often uses genealogical sites like MyHeritage, Ancestors etc

« on: July 18, 2021, 02:39:54 PM »

Is here anybody who is a keen user of genealogical sites like MyHeritage, Ancestors etc with all kind of information from passenger lists, birth- and death registers, marriages, newspaper articles etc ?

I have sometimes - in fact now and then - tried to check in case some of our surnames appear there somewhere, very far away somewhere in America or on some other continents. Once some full name of my grandmother appeared altered with one letter in some death register in Ohio. Then it hit me it is not impossible somebody has taken the name of this St. Petersburg 'celebrity' (not to mention what she did in St.Petersburg and why she was probably well-known) and started a new life there in the faraway America thinking nobody will never know this. It was common to change surnames... some changed in order to get a better life... some others for some security reasons. Some changed their identities even with their servants. Some took passports with false names and left their correct passport for example to their bank. Maybe some ten years ago I found our name on some site like Russian Girls, Asian Girls, Christian Datings, Philippine Girls etc and this was just something horrible to me... Our name can impossibly be a name of some Asian people or some Jews... (I have nothing against Jews, but it is not a Jewish name.)

Now and then I have checked eg some passenger lists and I cannot but think that many names that appear there are nothing but some bullshit names (sorry) that have been given to the authorities when escaping eg Europa and arriving on some other continent. A problem might also have been the difficulties with different languages and even foreign letters... 

Today a name hit me that must just be some fancy name... and it made me write this. However, it appeared rather properly written which tell at least something as the proper writing is not always the case... There was somebody by the name Alexander Nelsky-Orloff... This person seems to have travelled from Alaska to Washington - does he come from Russia... However, I could not but wonder if this is a true identity of somebody or if it is just a fancy name and a product of somebody's imagination... This name makes me think of the Saint Alexander Nevsky... Who could carry such a real name, but who could expect Saint Alexander Nevsky was known in America by others than some from Russia and other places near it. And who could think one day the computer world opens all registers like it has now. And I didn't know much about Orloff family so I checked with Wikipedia and got as follows: The name Orloff is derived from the Russian personal name Orlov, which is derived from the word Oryol or eagle. In the Middle Ages, the eagle was a symbol of royalty and power. The eagle is featured in the Russian Imperial insignia.
Orloff, eagle
Orloff, a breed of chicken according to the Russian nobleman
Orlov (diamond), a large diamond, sometimes known as the "Orloff"
Orloff vodka, a brand of vodka
Veal Orloff, a 19th century dish of Franco-Russian cuisine
Dr Orloff, a character in the 1962 film The Awful Dr. Orloff (nowadays probably in many other places like the Bond-films)

What am I trying to say? I think I am trying to say that the information given through those genealogical sites probably is not at all reliable at least what comes to persons names and true identities - it can be anything... from false identities to completely bullshit identities... What comes to real noble identities the false identities for sure might be very many made of some pieces of some noble identities! What do you think? Do I have wrong in case I warn about those worldwide genealogical sites?

To make a fancy identity to myself I could write I am Ms. St. Alexandra Nevsky Vodka Bottle! Sorry, I cannot write I am Mr. Saint Alexander Nevsky Vodka Bottle Duble-Headed Eagle von Russia... In case Nevsky is somebody of the Rurik-family and here connected to some Orlov-family then this for sure is some very great personality!

In case you have not read the book by the title The Titan that appeared maybe sometimes between 1920-30 I would recommend you to read it. It tells things from the American society that might have been true at least for some part. However, the book can be impossible to get and I got it from the archive of our city library. I am not sure but probably the book with the same title has appeared in Russia... but it is a dangerous book so I don't know if it is the same book in Russia. It is written by Theodor Dreisner or Dreiser... and tells a lot about the mess with all kind of identities about a 100 years ago... An other book to read about those times but about Russia might be the book of Tatjana Metternich by the title The Country of Memories...

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Research Russian Roots / Re: Anybody here with Huguenot or noble German roots in St.Petersburg?

« on: July 18, 2021, 07:06:29 AM »

There is a mistake in the title! It must be Anybody here with Huguenot OR noble German roots in St. Petersburg

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Research Russian Roots / Anybody here with some home-kept pedigree since some hundreds of years?

« on: July 18, 2021, 06:11:48 AM »

This is the same text as in chain: Anybody here with Huguenot or noble German roots in St.Petersburg?

It seems to me that these roots are rare even if you could think they were not. Somebody needed to collect information about these as such seems to be difficult to find. I sometimes found some Huguenot Centre somewhere, maybe in Germany, but they don't seem to know anything about this kind of an affair.

My family has a home-kept archive of about all family members in our line as far as it has been possible to keep since the year 1764 in Gross-Glogau, Lower-Schlesien. In those notes there are not only the dates of birth and death but also confirmation and marriage dates but also the names of the churches and graveyards as some hints to pages in some church books. I am getting old and I don't know where to leave all this information. Do you get in mind some place you could think of for this kind of a material? There, however, is some Archeological and Historical Museum in Glogau, Poland area nowadays. There is even some 'Schifflein Christie' church in that place that is evangelic and its building started in 1764 and I wonder if my family has had something to do with this church and also as the whole place happen to carry our surname???

In case you have some French or German roots in St. Petersburg before the Revolution in 1917 what direction of the Christian faith did your ancestors confess? And what language did they use as home language?

What has then been the real point in keeping this kind of information in details and especially if these people where not noble? My grandmother's brother ended in Germany and then Hitler asked our family who are you - are you some Jews? That time this homekept archive maybe saved them as they could go from the registers in Gross-Glogau in 1764 to France and they found a direct male line to some French Count. However, they didn't have any money to take these documents out of the registers. Now I have tried for years to find this line, but it seems impossible even if I liked to and wanted to know what 'Count' this was... In a piece of paper they have written that were are mentioned as noble, but I don't know where, probably even in some archive in Han(n)over...  I even saw some program in TV where they showed a lot of empty archive shelves - everything had been taken out and robbed in some archives... Who had done this and to what purpose? The genealogical business might be huge today...

Now I have started to think what is a 'Count' in fact... the information today you can get eg in Wikipedia makes at least me to think that this title could be anything... and as no line has been able to find today I even started to think if our ancestor was really some 'Count' and not something else... Whose family had some person who was invited to the Court in Preussen before the French Revolution and who was the inviter... for sure??? All this kind of things makes ones imagination run in case no correct information is to be found anywhere.

It is often hinted that your name must stand in some register of noble people in case you were some noble. However, I see to this matter in some different way. In case you were of some higher nobelty your life might have been threatened often. Huguenots are said to be the first refugees. Had it been in that case wise and secure to put your name or see to it that it will be kept there in some registers? I think that no! My grandmother still during her whole life feared something to happen to her and her family as all her relatives were killed in St. Petersburg around 1918. And an other question is did you have some money for this purpose to keep your information in some registers? I find it enough family members know who they are and what is your background. It also comes to my mind that in question of higher nobelty it might have been less important than in case of some lower nobelty to be in some periodical registers of noble people.

What then comes to my generation almost nothing has been told. Think if my generation born after the wartimes had been told that you are of such and such nobelty even if it cannot be seen anywhere in some registers... What had the children, whose other parent even is no noble, done with this kind of information... and had it been even dangerous in some place that is no longer some Grand Duchy of any kind and were a lot of wars were still to be waged and even some civil war? What had they done with that information when everybody has become poor and there is no property and they live in a country where individualism is number one and everybody needs to manage by own as well as he or she is able to???

In case you feel you are of some kind of nobelty - what does it mean to you? Does it make your life just complicated and not at all easy in this world of today where everything has become so strange you almost wish this world has come to the point of the end of this world as the Bible says once will happen?

In case you feel you are of some kind of nobelty that cannot be testified in any 'normal' ways, please, let us hear your family background story in this chain of mine! Let's see how many we can be! Sometimes I think that what was the point to end in St. Petersburg and not in other places on this planet. What were the real 'meaningful connections' between the Russian and French Royal Houses and was there some reason to be found why some families ended in St.Petersburg? 

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Research Russian Roots / Anybody here with Huguenot of noble German roots in St.Petersburg?

« on: July 18, 2021, 06:09:43 AM »

It seems to me that these roots are rare even if you could think they were not. Somebody needed to collect information about these as such seems to be difficult to find. I sometimes found some Huguenot Centre somewhere, maybe in Germany, but they don't seem to know anything about this kind of an affair.

My family has a home-kept archive of about all family members in our line as far as it has been possible to keep since the year 1764 in Gross-Glogau, Lower-Schlesien. In those notes there are not only the dates of birth and death but also confirmation and marriage dates but also the names of the churches and graveyards as some hints to pages in some church books. I am getting old and I don't know where to leave all this information. Do you get in mind some place you could think of for this kind of a material? There, however, is some Archeological and Historical Museum in Glogau, Poland area nowadays. There is even some 'Schifflein Christie' church in that place that is evangelic and its building started in 1764 and I wonder if my family has had something to do with this church and also as the whole place happen to carry our surname???

In case you have some French or German roots in St. Petersburg before the Revolution in 1917 what direction of the Christian faith did your ancestors confess? And what language did they use as home language?

What has then been the real point in keeping this kind of information in details and especially if these people where not noble? My grandmother's brother ended in Germany and then Hitler asked our family who are you - are you some Jews? That time this homekept archive maybe saved them as they could go from the registers in Gross-Glogau in 1764 to France and they found a direct male line to some French Count. However, they didn't have any money to take these documents out of the registers. Now I have tried for years to find this line, but it seems impossible even if I liked to and wanted to know what 'Count' this was... In a piece of paper they have written that were are mentioned as noble, but I don't know where, probably even in some archive in Han(n)over...  I even saw some program in TV where they showed a lot of empty archive shelves - everything had been taken out and robbed in some archives... Who had done this and to what purpose? The genealogical business might be huge today...

Now I have started to think what is a 'Count' in fact... the information today you can get eg in Wikipedia makes at least me to think that this title could be anything... and as no line has been able to find today I even started to think if our ancestor was really some 'Count' and not something else... Whose family had some person who was invited to the Court in Preussen before the French Revolution and who was the inviter... for sure??? All this kind of things makes ones imagination run in case no correct information is to be found anywhere.

It is often hinted that your name must stand in some register of noble people in case you were some noble. However, I see to this matter in some different way. In case you were of some higher nobelty your life might have been threatened often. Huguenots are said to be the first refugees. Had it been in that case wise and secure to put your name or see to it that it will be kept there in some registers? I think that no! My grandmother still during her whole life feared something to happen to her and her family as all her relatives were killed in St. Petersburg around 1918. And an other question is did you have some money for this purpose to keep your information in some registers? I find it enough family members know who they are and what is your background. It also comes to my mind that in question of higher nobelty it might have been less important than in case of some lower nobelty to be in some periodical registers of noble people.

What then comes to my generation almost nothing has been told. Think if my generation born after the wartimes had been told that you are of such and such nobelty even if it cannot be seen anywhere in some registers... What had the children, whose other parent even is no noble, done with this kind of information... and had it been even dangerous in some place that is no longer some Grand Duchy of any kind and were a lot of wars were still to be waged and even some civil war? What had they done with that information when everybody has become poor and there is no property and they live in a country where individualism is number one and everybody needs to manage by own as well as he or she is able to???

In case you feel you are of some kind of nobelty - what does it mean to you? Does it make your life just complicated and not at all easy in this world of today where everything has become so strange you almost wish this world has come to the point of the end of this world as the Bible says once will happen?

In case you feel you are of some kind of nobelty that cannot be testified in any 'normal' ways, please, let us hear your family background story in this chain of mine! Let's see how many we can be! Sometimes I think that what was the point to end in St. Petersburg and not in other places on this planet. What were the real 'meaningful connections' between the Russian and French Royal Houses and was there some reason to be found why some families ended in St.Petersburg? 

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Russian Imperial Medals, Orders, Uniforms & Militaria / A strange badge and a St. Vladimir Cross??? Somebody's identity?

« on: July 18, 2021, 04:42:11 AM »

I have a badge that interest me a lot as it might tell something about some persons' background in Russia before the year 1920. Could anybody say something about the heraldry probably involved with it? The owner of this badge carried it on the right side of his white and black uniform jacket and there are two family pictures where he carries it.

The badge is of the size for about 5 x 4 cm. I have no idea what it could mean, who has made it, from what 'institute' it comes from and who has given it to the person who owned it. I cannot tell what metal it is but probably there is some mark A6 and probably has been covered with some gold. However, I cannot look at the mark now as I have put these things into frames so that they don't disappear easily.

The badge consists of the following things:
1) A laurels that goes around the badge
2) Double-headed eagle with crowns on its head and a  third crown on them
3) A hammer and maybe some scepter (some kind of a stick)
4) St. Georg in the middle of the whole thing and inside some tiny coat-of-arms form
5) Four tiny coat-of arms on both sides of the St. Georg and maybe with some text (initials???) on them

The person who owned this badge also own a St. Vladimir Cross. However, I have not found any suitable information about this cross as it seems to be of some more unusual kind as pictures of similar kind seems difficult to find.

This St. Vladimir Cross is in two parts - a bigger cross and a very tiny one. I don't know how the tiny one has been attached on some costume as it lacks some attachment system. There is no tape as normally seen in pictures, but just a tiny tape of some 3 cm like a brooch.

The person has never served in any army if it is not counted that he might have had something to do with Wrangel's army and destroying some bridges during some months. I also red somewhere that a St. Vladimir cross could be given to you due to your birth background and that some pension was involved with it. Somewhere I also red that some even more valuable St. Vladimir crosses were very moderate, but so unique there is no information to get about them anywhere. I have seen some pictures even here about uniforms and to me some of them look shabby to me. Even if this person don't have many marks on his clothing his uniforms and coats look very expensive in the photos that exist.   

The person also had a golden personal monogram where there is some crown on his initials. Might it have been usual to have personal monograms with crowns?

The person was born in 1883 and had participated the Technical Highschool of his time in St. Petersburg. When he left Russia with id-papers from the Belgium Consulate in Sevastopol he was already at the age of 37 years as stands even on these documents. Even if he came from St. Petersburg his place of birth has been mentioned only as 'Russia'. What men participated the St. Petersburg Technical Highschool of those times and as well was in contact with some monastery and even served as some diacon in church ceremonies as the helper of the priest? His parents have never been mentioned and the line to them and his family background has so been cut off. However, he cannot have been some illegitime child, but not even the first names of his parents are know opposite to his wife, with 'foreign' background. He was very civilized and the question rises that could he have been something else than some nobleman. But in that case - who was he??? His surname on the Russian as well as some other id-documents differs with only one letter from the name of a Russian historical person... but I cannot even mention whom, because it is so crazy... However, if he was some distant offspring of such a person it had been impossible - as I understand it - to carry such a surname in Russia even in his time - or today. In the West the surname has then been altered more.

He was a top name on the list of the Bolsheviks to be killed. 'Nobody' seemed to know anything about these marks during his lifetime or at least they were never talked anything about but found after his death. It is strange that it has been mentioned that he used to visit the Swedish King of his time as well that he served as some interpreter in some war negotiations (what negotiations?). The identity of this kind of a person cannot have been completely hidden - as it seems to be to the family of his own... His wife feared during her whole lifetime that the Bolsheviks could 'come' again... as they had killed her whole family in St. Petersburg... He stayed often in Wien and in Riga but his real nationality seems to be unclear. His religion is mentioned on the documents to be Greece Orthodox and on some passport there stands he can travel anywhere but not in Russia. His wife with 'foreign' background and two children were escorted out of the country my some embassy. Her background was possible to trace in times of Hitler as this asked them who are you - are you some Jews... but today even that line seems to be impossible to trace and is so cut in Gross-Glogau, Lower-Schlesien, in 1764, when the Huguenot ancestor is mentioned to be born there. Funny coincidences are that the same year they had started to build an evangelical church, Schifflein Christie Church, there in Glogau, and that from there comes even the sail-airplane that carry the same family surname as theirs. Later the wife of the brother of the wife of this mystical man was killed in 1928 so that some airplane poured its fuels on her in Vyborg. 

Thank you very much in advance for any kind of information you can give me. Probably you know some place where some more information could be received of these marks or a mystical figure and family of this kind.

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Research Russian Roots / Is this enough information to solve the identity of a family?

« on: July 18, 2021, 04:35:13 AM »

I have a badge that interest me a lot as it might tell something about some persons' background in Russia before the year 1920. Could anybody say something about the heraldry probably involved with it? The owner of this badge carried it on the right side of his white and black uniform jacket and there are two family pictures where he carries it.

The badge is of the size for about 5 x 4 cm. I have no idea what it could mean, who has made it, from what 'institute' it comes from and who has given it to the person who owned it. I cannot tell what metal it is but probably there is some mark A6 and probably has been covered with some gold. However, I cannot look at the mark now as I have put these things into frames so that they don't disappear easily.

The badge consists of the following things:
1) A laurels that goes around the badge
2) Double-headed eagle with crowns on its head and a  third crown on them
3) A hammer and maybe some scepter (some kind of a stick)
4) St. Georg in the middle of the whole thing and inside some tiny coat-of-arms form
5) Four tiny coat-of arms on both sides of the St. Georg and maybe with some text (initials???) on them

The person who owned this badge also own a St. Vladimir Cross. However, I have not found any suitable information about this cross as it seems to be of some more unusual kind as pictures of similar kind seems difficult to find.

This St. Vladimir Cross is in two parts - a bigger cross and a very tiny one. I don't know how the tiny one has been attached on some costume as it lacks some attachment system. There is no tape as normally seen in pictures, but just a tiny tape of some 3 cm like a brooch.

The person has never served in any army if it is not counted that he might have had something to do with Wrangel's army and destroying some bridges during some months. I also red somewhere that a St. Vladimir cross could be given to you due to your birth background and that some pension was involved with it. Somewhere I also red that some even more valuable St. Vladimir crosses were very moderate, but so unique there is no information to get about them anywhere. I have seen some pictures even here about uniforms and to me some of them look shabby to me. Even if this person don't have many marks on his clothing his uniforms and coats look very expensive in the photos that exist.   

The person also had a golden personal monogram where there is some crown on his initials. Might it have been usual to have personal monograms with crowns?

The person was born in 1883 and had participated the Technical Highschool of his time in St. Petersburg. When he left Russia with id-papers from the Belgium Consulate in Sevastopol he was already at the age of 37 years as stands even on these documents. Even if he came from St. Petersburg his place of birth has been mentioned only as 'Russia'. What men participated the St. Petersburg Technical Highschool of those times and as well was in contact with some monastery and even served as some diacon in church ceremonies as the helper of the priest? His parents have never been mentioned and the line to them and his family background has so been cut off. However, he cannot have been some illegitime child, but not even the first names of his parents are know opposite to his wife, with 'foreign' background. He was very civilized and the question rises that could he have been something else than some nobleman. But in that case - who was he??? His surname on the Russian as well as some other id-documents differs with only one letter from the name of a Russian historical person... but I cannot even mention whom, because it is so crazy... However, if he was some distant offspring of such a person it had been impossible - as I understand it - to carry such a surname in Russia even in his time - or today. In the West the surname has then been altered more.

He was a top name on the list of the Bolsheviks to be killed. 'Nobody' seemed to know anything about these marks during his lifetime or at least they were never talked anything about but found after his death. It is strange that it has been mentioned that he used to visit the Swedish King of his time as well that he served as some interpreter in some war negotiations (what negotiations?). The identity of this kind of a person cannot have been completely hidden - as it seems to be to the family of his own... His wife feared during her whole lifetime that the Bolsheviks could 'come' again... as they had killed her whole family in St. Petersburg... He stayed often in Wien and in Riga but his real nationality seems to be unclear. His religion is mentioned on the documents to be Greece Orthodox and on some passport there stands he can travel anywhere but not in Russia. His wife with 'foreign' background and two children were escorted out of the country my some embassy. Her background was possible to trace in times of Hitler as this asked them who are you - are you some Jews... but today even that line seems to be impossible to trace and is so cut in Gross-Glogau, Lower-Schlesien, in 1764, when the Huguenot ancestor is mentioned to be born there. Funny coincidences are that the same year they had started to build an evangelical church, Schifflein Christie Church, there in Glogau, and that from there comes even the sail-airplane that carry the same family surname as theirs. Later the wife of the brother of the wife of this mystical man was killed in 1928 so that some airplane poured its fuels on her in Vyborg. 

Thank you very much in advance for any kind of information you can give me. Probably you know some place where some more information could be received of these marks or a mystical figure and family of this kind.

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Their World and Culture / What Christian directions did various royal families confess?

« on: July 17, 2021, 10:58:28 AM »

I made some search in Wikipedia about some ruler and I found it strange there was no information if he confessed the Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican or some Protestant direction of the Christian faith.

I suppose the members of some royal families were at least normally not any kind of atheists...

Couldn't it be possible to put here some information about the religions directions of various royal families? 

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French Royals / Huguenot Counts in France before the French Revolution?

« on: July 17, 2021, 10:19:55 AM »

Does anybody know where some information about the French Huguenot Counts, who left the country before the French Revolution, could be found?

The case I am looking for is such that a French so called Huguenot Comte... had been invited out of France to some Court and this Court must have been the Court of Friedrich II Great.

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Imperial Transportation / Re: Some car by the mark DUX?

« on: July 17, 2021, 09:26:19 AM »

This coincidence of mark DUX and airplane industry is very strange. It is so strange I wonder if it is really some coincidence or something else... The connection is this sail-airplane called Grunau Baby (see Wikipedia) and the two places in Lower-Schlesien now in Poland: Jezow Sudecki (Grunau in German) and Gross-Glogau(w). So I wonder now to what airplane did DUX make parts? However, this Grunau Baby sailplane was introduced as late as in 1931 and you tell DUX continued with their industry in Germany only until early 1920s.

There are people who lived in St.Petersburg who had a part of their family history in Gross-Glogau and they might be relatives of those Grunau-people in Jezow Sudecki, both 'villages' in Lower-Schlesien - now the same voivodeship in Poland. This is the family that owned the DUX car in St. Petersburg and the family father was educated in the Technical Highschool of his time in St. Petersburg and wrote later books about all kind of motors when living in the West.

This family also had a young wife who, however, died in Vyborg 28.5.1928 because of an 'accident' that seems very strange for us people of today. Some air-plane poured all its fuel on her and she ended in hospital and died some days later. She was a daughter of a Scottish shipbuilding engineer by the name Stevens and I suppose they were British citizens. Also today some 'Stevens' has something to do with boats or yachts as has even some 'Grunau or Gruno', the same family-name in some different forms. 

Sometimes it has hit me if this kind of a strange accident caused by some airplane didn't have anything to do with insurances... and how such a case might have ended... So insurances in times of about a 100 year ago might also be some kind of an issue.

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Imperial Transportation / Does anybody know something about the owners of private train wagons?

« on: July 17, 2021, 08:05:25 AM »

What kind of people did have some train wagons of their own for their private use? Did they usually own the wagons or were there probably some wagons that were hired for some private use?

Is it possible to get to know somewhere something about of the owners of the private train wagons?

What kind of travelling did they do with their private wagons?

What happened to the wagons after The Revolution?