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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: One thing I find odd
« on: October 16, 2006, 01:14:50 PM »
Yes, Anastasia looks were not going to change that much. Anna Anderson thought she had a good excuse, but she did not. Olga A would obviously have recognized her as Anastasia had she been, because she knew her well, both physically and mentally. Why did people believe in Anna Anderson? I have found, that one of the easiest answers to that question is that I think she sincerely believed she was Anastasia.. ;) As well, undoubtedly there were other reasons that people believed in her. They had their own motivations and beliefs that may be hard to understand. Even today, people still believe she was Anastasia.. and that's their opinion. But, you must ask yourself why?

I too believe AA was convinced she WAS Anastasia.  Whether supported by others who fed her information etc etc, AA had a history of serious mental illness.  Add to that the grenade explosion in which she witness a supervisor's horrible death.  This certainly would have had a devastating effect on an already unstable mind.  I have also read accounts which describe FS and the "cleverest of the four children" meaning her own siblings. She was often seen with a book in her hand and was quite an actress by all accounts.  I believe she slipped into this fantasy world where she BECAME Anastasia and from that time until the day she died, in HER MIND there was no doubt.

Furthermore,  as I mentioned before it would have only been human nature for those after the tragedy that were close enough to the GD to WANT TO BELIEVE she had survived - that somebody had survived that atrocity.  Others of course were motivated by greed.

As to your comment that even today people believe she was GD Anastasia, i feel it is the same know as it was then.  We so much wanted it to be so, therefore it MUST be so.....

Lori

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Sightseeing in Pushkin / Re: Summer in Pushkin
« on: October 16, 2006, 09:34:20 AM »
In regards to visiting Pushkin and St. Petersburg in general, I have a question (albeit probably a silly one).  I have been a Romanov devotee for years and have only begun to learn the language.

How functional in Russian does one have to be to safely travel there or is English spoken anywhere?  I am planning a trip to StPb next year and would like to know how proficient in the language i must be.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Lori_C.

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: One thing I find odd
« on: October 16, 2006, 08:44:08 AM »
Anastasia's basic features would not have changed in three years even in the most horrible of circumstances.  She still would have exhibited Romanov-Hessian features.

Lori

Some AA supporters have suggested her injuries would have changed her face, but to this I say it would have looked like a messed up version of AN's face, not change to the face of a completely different person!

One (of many reasons) that I feel her features would still basically be unchanged as Anastasia is the photo with all the children standing together with their heads shaved after they were ill.  Even though as fans of the story and love of the Romanovs, WE know which is which,  you can see the Hessian-Romanov gene runs strongly through these children.  Age would not have altered this.  An example would be the strong features of Princess Alice passed down to HER daughters.  Age and time didn't alter our ability to identify for example Ella from teenager to young adult nor her resemblance to her siblings.  I feel the same would be true for her neices. AA exhibited characteristics not found in the children.  Without their hair, their aquiline noses, shape of the eyes and thin lips directly contradict the looks of AA.  Especially Anastasia and Alexei who very much resemble their mother.

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The Imperial Family / Re: OTMA - 'look'
« on: October 13, 2006, 02:36:56 PM »
I agree.  you can see the hair in that one.  The one I saw had more intricacies like the smaller loops so it wasn't as obvious until you got real close to it.

Thank you for the great picture!

Lori

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: One thing I find odd
« on: October 13, 2006, 10:23:01 AM »
GD Olga Alexandrovna was Anastasia's Godmother.  She was also was known for being very kindhearted and was often the victim of people trying to scam her or convince her that they were her long lost "Malenkaya" (i think this is the Russian word for Little One but not quite sure as I don't have the book here).

She was, however, relatively unconvinced but like so many others, wanted so much to believe that MAYBE one of Nicky's daughters survived.  When she visited and knew it was FS, she could not bring her to be uncaring or unkind to such a "poor creature" and continued to stay in contact with the patient until it became unwise (as far as the family was concerned) to do so.

GD Olga was very involved in the GD lives and the only one to take an interest in their lack of a social life, bringing them to St. Petersburg to be around others closer to their own age.  She most definitely would have known an imposter.  Anastasia's basic features would not have changed in three years even in the most horrible of circumstances.  She still would have exhibited Romanov-Hessian features.

Lori

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The Imperial Family / Re: OTMA - 'look'
« on: October 13, 2006, 09:42:24 AM »
I have often wondered if the hair found by Sokolov in the Ipatiev house was recovered by the White Army or ever returned to the State Archives (or destroyed).  But this and through the photo history we have of the family, i believe there can be no doubt that the girls were well maintained (as were their parents and other members of IF) even into exile.  The Fate of the Romanovs by Greg King also mentioned the girls and their parents liked to take more than one bath a day.  This was an absolute luxury during that time and place which presented problems during their imprisonment, where the working class and peasants took maybe one bath a week if they were lucky.  The book also mentions that the IF was chatised for this and were only allowed 1 bath a day because of their overuse of water.  Their hygiene was very important because of their royal status and their upbringing. (i.e. Alexandra's fantastically maintained platinum crowns in her mouth).

So even under the Red Guards, the girls more than likely cared for themselves and had their hair at least trimmed.  Alexandra cut both Nicholas' and Alexei's hair as they were denied the services of a barber.  I would thingk the same would be for her daughters.

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The Imperial Family / Re: OTMA - 'look'
« on: October 12, 2006, 03:31:51 PM »
Regarding hair of the dead into wreaths:

I live in Louisiana and at Oak Alley Plantation here there is a wreath to memorialize one of the daughters that died young on the plantation.  They display it during Civil War re-enactments on the property.

I have seen and did not even know it was hair.  It was quite a craft to learn I imagine and rather wonderful.  What better way to have a keepsake of someone you love?

It was dated approximately 1866.  It isn't macabre as you would think.

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The Imperial Family / Re: OTMA - 'look'
« on: October 12, 2006, 11:10:25 AM »
Saving hair was also in line with other Victorian era memorablilia. The IF wrote in their diaries every day almost without exception to document their days and it has been written the Empress kept EVERYTHING.  Jewels and memories alike.   Kind of like how they kept the dead's room the same as the day they died. 

I believe the Tsar's baby hair can still be found in the Archives today and were considered as a source of DNA when trying to identify his remains (but no follicles were present rendering them unusable).


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The Imperial Family / Re: OTMA - 'look'
« on: October 11, 2006, 12:27:14 PM »
In Greg King's book The Fate of the Romanovs,  he mentions that Sokolov and investigators found several boxes of cut hair in 4 colors matching the hair of the Grand Duchesses.  So obviously, their hair WAS cut and saved.

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: One thing I find odd
« on: September 12, 2006, 04:07:57 PM »
I believe that given the timeframe of the burial of the IF and the fact that Yurovsky and his men had to rebury them one could argue that peasants within range of the Koptyaki Forest (unnoticed) could have known that 2 bodies were not buried with the common grave - NOT that I am inferring anybody survived. I don't want to go down that path for this post. 

However, I do think that gossip and spreading tales - true or exaggerated was a preponderance of the Russian Guard as well.  So this may have been how the rumor started that 2 survived.  Considering the 2 missing were Almost named correctly in Yurovsky's note (he said Demidova and Alexei), I am guessing it was someone that was there that day and helped rebury the bodies the second time and noticed not all were accounted for.  Then probably went on to discuss this horrible day with others which spread like wildfire.  This is probably why Yurovsky felt the need to account for two missing bodies.

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