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Having Fun! / Re: Romanov-look-alikes!
« on: February 01, 2010, 01:36:42 PM »
Watching Firefly the other day, I noticed that Jewel Staite has similar eyes to Tatiana... the comparison kind of ends there though, I think.

Haha...I've got one! Probably I'm the only one who's done this.

I collect American Girl Dolls (yes still lol) and dressed up four of them to be OTMA:

(It's supposed to be left to right Maria, Tatiana, Anastasia, Olga. They don't look extremely like them though!)

Wow, that's amazing! Really well done!!

You know you're obsessed when you listen to Lady Gaga's "Bad Romance," and when she sings "Roma, Roma-ance..." you think about how much it sounds like "Roma, Romanov."  Hey, it's not my fault she put on a weird accent in that part and you can barely tell what she's singing.

Hahaha! I'm going to do that every time I hear the song now! (And to clarify I think she actually sings 'Roma, Ro-ma-ma,' not 'Roma-ance.' That whole section's gibberish until "Oh la la")

Another: You know you're obsessed when you compare everyone's birthday's to NAOTMAA's. Like, I have a cousin who was born in 1995, so I think, "Wow, she's 100 years younger than Olga!" And then I invent some weird timeline of how old we would all be compared to them if we were magically shifted back to the 19th century... It's weird to think that Olga and my cousin would be the same age then, since I still see my cousin as so young whereas I've always thought of Olga as mature... and her sister, who I practically still think of as a toddler, would be Maria's age!

Having Fun! / Re: songs about naotmaa
« on: January 30, 2010, 12:25:22 AM »
I've never heard anything from that musical before, but from reading the lyrics I agree. Very expressive! I'll have to give it a listen some time.

I guess I'll add a few more of my ramblings now...
Next song: Spark (Tori Amos... as are all the others)
This song reminds me a lot of Alexandra and the troubles in her life. Opening lines:
She's addicted to nicotine patches. >the various drugs Alix was taking for all of her illnesses
She's afraid of the light in the dark. >her distrust of anything against her opinion, i.e., those who hated Rasputin

The next verse is what made me first come to see this song as Alexandra-related:
She's convinced she could hold back a glacier,
(Convinced she could hold back sands of fire.)
But she couldn't keep Baby alive.
Doubting if there's a woman in there somewhere.
(Ha... doubting... guilty, guilty.)
Here... Here... Here...
>This one is pretty obvious. Alix tried to be a mother to all of Russia, to stand firm for the country, yet her own child was frail and weak. This of course probably made her feel like a failure on some levels, since she couldn't produce a "normal" son.

You say you don't want it again and again.
But you don't, don't really mean it.
You say you don't want it, this circus we're in.
But you don't, don't really mean it.
You don't, don't really mean it...
>This verse seems to be her talking to Nicky towards the end of his reign, reminding him to hang on to his title.

The bridge is then the most expressive:
How many fates turn around in the overtime?
Ballerinas that have fins that you'll never find.
You thought that you were the bomb, yes well so did I.
Say you don't want it, say you don't want it...
>These seem like Alix's thoughts during the revolution: confused, scattered, angry, etc. The question of fate is on how they could go from rulers of such a vast empire to prisoners. The "ballerinas" part seems to be a callback to Nicholas's romance with MK, how part of his "fate" was not being allowed to have a relationship with her. Overall a very moody song.

Next: Take Me With You
This song reminds me of NAOTMAA's final days in the Ipatiev house, hoping there would be a rescue somehow. The point of view seems to be from one of OTMA's perspective:
In and out on this same path that I followed for years
Can't I look around and ask how could we still end up here
I can't just hold tight
Wait for them to cut us to ribbons
If the sharpest thing where you come is a blade of grass
Oh, take me with you...

The chorus and the next few verses continue this mood. Then there's the bridge:
Tears turn to steel and the wound never heals
in the darkness of November
>The October/November Revolution, yet another blow to the tradition of Tsardom
Well the witch is in the tower
And the snake's in the bower
And the hunt goes on forever
>I see the "witch" as a representation of the new Bolshevik government, "in the tower" meaning that they are high up, the control everything now.
The "snakes" are the soldiers in the Ipatiev house, watching their every move, not letting them escape. The "hunt" is the murdering of NAOTMAA's family members.

Now the stake is there to burn
My fathers robe is torn between cross and Mother
>The first line is obvious... the Romanovs are going to be "burned at the stake," per se. However, the next line actually doesn't apply to NAOTMAA very well, since Alexandra was very religious.
With the blood on your hands, come on
What you doing
I am fed up with this questioning.
> Seems like one of OTMA is interrogating/telling off the guards.

Another song I think symbolizes the time in the Ipatiev house is Black-Dove (January)...
She was a January girl, she never let on how insane it was,
In that tiny, kind of scary house,
By the woods, by the woods, by the woods, by the woods...
>None of OTMA were born in January, but the rest of the verse has a strong connection to them. It seems to epitomize the uneasy feelings they must've felt under imprisonment. The next verse has more connections:

She had a January world. So many storms, not right somehow.
How a lion becomes a mouse...
By the woods, by the woods, by the woods, by the woods...
>January world = Russia, due to its northern situation. "So many storms"... uprisings, protests, revolutions. "How a lion becomes a mouse" reminds me of Nicholas, going from Tsar to being totally disrespected by the guards, ordered around, etc.

The chorus seems to be a form of comfort to OTMA, if a bit anachronistic:
Black-dove... Black-dove...
You're not a helicopter, you're not a cop-out either, honey.
Black-dove... Black-dove...
You don't need a space ship. They don't know you've already lived...
On the other side of the galaxy.
>This seems to be an analogy for how famous OTMA have become after death. It's saying, you don't need cars, bikes, or any other transportation to get away from this place. You will be free and you will be known far and wide. A little strange probably, but that's how I see it.

One section of Flying Dutchman reminds me of NAOTMAA's imprisonment as well...
Keep the boys spinning in their own little world >How the aristocracy and the rulers of Russia were distanced from the realities of the average person while in power, and how information was kept from them once they were imprisoned
Time up, and so we won't say a word >This reminds me of the final night, everyone being led down to the basement...
They keep the boys spinning in their own little world
So afraid he'll be what they never were
>Killing Alexei so no one could ever put him in power
The rest of the song is completely different though!

And another song, Father Lucifer, reminds me of Rasputin in the first few verses, but then the lyrics get too modern... the line "Baby's still in his comatose state" reminds me of Alexei though.

I'll cut off this post now, since I fear it's getting waaaay too long, but next I have a few songs that remind me of Anastasia, and then the songs from Under the Pink *besides* Yes, Anastasia which remind me of NAOTMAA.


I listened to the 1812 Overture, and now I can't believe I've never picked up on the God Save the Tsar thing even though I've heard that part only 500,000 times and heard God Save the Tsar just as much. Learn new stuff everyday, huh? I take it that that part at the end was to express Russian victory? 

Don't feel bad, I didn't notice it either until I decided to look up the song on Wikipedia for some reason and it explained how it was indeed used to symbolize Russian victory (even though technically that wasn't the Russian national anthem in 1812, so it's an anachronism). Then I felt dumb as well after I listened again, haha.

Having Fun! / Re: Romanov-look-alikes!
« on: January 27, 2010, 10:54:54 PM »
I never said it was Hannah that looks like a Romanov, but another actress on the show. And I don't even like the show, it's just a genuine similarity I noticed.

Having Fun! / Re: songs about naotmaa
« on: January 27, 2010, 09:54:21 PM »
Hmm, interesting. I've never made that connection, but it does work. :)

Well, here I go with my crazy song analyses again... I guess I'll post some of the Tori Amos ones this time, but where do I begin? I have an actual playlist on my iPod of songs that remind me of NAOTMAA, and I just counted and there's about 15 Tori Amos ones on there!!! I've never really realized how wrapped up in this I can get until now! *takes a deep breath*

First off, Ribbons Undone. Another great Anastasia song. This could work really well in a slideshow for her. Really, it could be about any of her sisters as well, but the title reminds me of all those pictures of her with messy hair, like she's been running around and ruining all the ribbons someone tied in. A very sweet and pretty song about childhood innocence. Listen here (someone else's video):

Next, Winter. This one hit me as a perfect NAOTMAA song the moment I first heard it. So sad and poignant... it starts off innocently, from the point of view of a girl playing in the snow, but then her father starts talking and the tone changes...

He says, When you gonna make up your mind?
When you gonna love you as much as I do?
When you gonna make up your mind?
'Cause things are gonna change so fast
All the white horses are still in bed
I tell you that I'll always want you near
You say that things change, my dear

Those lines are so perfect for describing Nicholas's love for his children. And the "things are gonna change so fast" line is wonderful here: Not just about general growing up, but in NAOTMAA's case, their entire lives being thrown for a loop with the war and the revolution. The way Tori sings it just breaks my heart. Then the next verse has more about growing up, coming into one's own, etc. One of the lines is "Mirror, mirror, where's the Crystal Palace? But I only can see myself," which again reminds me of OTMA. Then the last verse...

Hair is gray and the fires are burning
So many dreams on the shelf
You say I wanted you to be proud of me
I always wanted that myself

Perfect for the revolution- Nicholas's hair graying from stress, and the simple admission to his children that he just wanted them to be proud of their father. *sobs* See what I mean about her songs fitting? I think Tori was more inspired by Anastasia than she thought!!

From that same album is a song called Mother, which struck me first as about the IF leaving the AP for Tobolsk, but now that I know more about Alix's life, it's sort of a hybrid of that and of her feelings as she was facing marriage. The first verse is about someone scared to leave home, and her mother telling her that it's time to go, that she chose this, etc. Of course Alix's mother wasn't alive when she was getting married, but it could easily be Queen Victoria, or just Alix imagining what her mother would say.

The first line of the chorus: "Mother, the car is here. Somebody leave the light on." First made me think of OTMA saying that as they were getting ready to leave, asking for a light to be left on because they had no idea how long they would be imprisoned, or that they'd never come back. The rest of it however is back to Alix: "Green limousine for the redhead, dancing, dancing girl"... an MK reference? The rest is about dancing as well. And then "I can remember where I come from"... Alix's roots versus her new home.

The next verse to me is SO much about Alix's relationship with Rasputin:
I walked into your dream
And now I've forgotten how to dream my own dream
You are the clever one, aren't you?
Brides in veils for you
We told you all of our secrets
All but one
And don't you even try
The phone has been disconnected
Dripping with blood and with time and with your advice
Poison me against the moon Rasputin died (sorta)

And then back to the "Mother, the car is here" and this time: "Black chariot for the redhead," kind of connecting the two scenarios, becoming an Empress and being dethroned. This chorus includes a fearfully whispered "He's gonna change my name"... Alix to Alexandra... and later, "First my left foot, then my right behind the other. Breadcrumbs lost under the snow." Alix coming to see Russia as her new home, and herself as Russian rather than German/English.

I'm not saying that Alix didn't want to marry Nicky, but every woman has anxieties. Especially Alix with her issue about changing her religion.

Well, there's three songs down!!! I don't want these posts to get too long, but I feel like I'm hogging the board because I'm making so many!!

Having Fun! / Re: Just to put this out there...Romanov style!
« on: January 27, 2010, 09:01:10 PM »
Wasn't sure exactly where to put this one, so I figured I'd put it here to be safe... Anyway, has anyone seen the new Sherlock Holmes film? Rachel McAdam's character says something about a "missing Romanov princess" in her first few lines, but she must've been mumbling because I couldn't understand the first half of the sentence! I was hoping they would mention more of it, but they never did. :( Does anyone know what she said? I don't think it was important to the plot, but it would be interesting to know.

Having Fun! / Re: Romanov-look-alikes!
« on: January 27, 2010, 08:56:47 PM »
Thanks!! I forget sometimes about the confusion that can come from just calling yourself "American"... but you can't really say "United Statesian" either, so we're kind of stuck! lol.

Having Fun! / Re: Romanov-look-alikes!
« on: January 27, 2010, 08:44:12 PM »
East Coast (New Jersey, going to school in Pennsylvania), though I sort of half live in Arizona as well because I have family out there. And you (if it's not getting too far off topic)?

Haha, I always correct people about the Anastasia movie not being Disney too. I bet the Disney execs were sweating a little when they saw it though, because it's such a good copy of their format!

Here's one: Whenever you hear the 1812 Overture used in tv shows/commercials, you always think about how they're playing 'God Save The Tsar' without even realizing it.

Having Fun! / Re: Romanov-look-alikes!
« on: January 27, 2010, 08:02:45 PM »
I'm Brazilian and I think Katya is American (guessingggggggg) XD. And don't freak out Ekaterina ! =P

Yes, I am American. I don't like Hannah Montana but my roommate last year watched the Disney Channel 24/7, so I saw many episodes involuntarily and ended up noticing the comparison.

Having Fun! / Re: Romanov-look-alikes!
« on: January 27, 2010, 06:30:11 PM »
I posted some "possible" look-alikes (more of joke ones than actual) in a separate thread by mistake, so here's another one to redeem myself...

I work at a clothing store, and over the summer they put up huge posters of models in various outfits. One of them looked exactly like Tatiana!! It was so weird, it was like I was seeing her in modern clothes when I went to work every day! I tried to find the picture online because I didn't want to seem like a weirdo by taking a picture of the poster, and I found the same girl in a different pose. She doesn't resemble her as much in this one, but you can still see it:

There are a few people who went to my high school that I also think resemble Romanovs. I wouldn't post their pictures here without their permission, but one of my friends looks like Olga Alexandrovna, and a girl from my class looked like Tatiana. I'm actually surprised she never noticed, since we actually did a whole unit on OTMA in history class! I guess our teacher just didn't show us enough pictures.

Also, as much as I hate to say it, certain pictures of Anastasia remind me of Emily Osment from Hannah Montana...

Having Fun! / Re: songs about naotmaa
« on: January 27, 2010, 05:19:04 PM »
And to continue with two other songs... the first one is probably just me, but in listening to Arcade Fire's "In The Backseat" recently, I seemed to hear it through OTMA's perspective, after one of Alexei's health scares... the opening lines of "I like the peace in the backseat, I don't have to drive, I don't have to speak..." reminded me of how the IF's train traveled so slowly back from Spala... I can just imagine the girls looking out the windows and trying to forget all of the tensions going on. It could also be a metaphor for how people focused on Alexei instead of them, and how that could sometimes have been a relief because it took the pressure off them. The lyrics continue with "My family tree is losing all its leaves," which could probably also have been going through their heads at such a time. And to continue the "backseat" metaphor, the next lines are "crashing towards the driver's seat," which seems to foreshadow the revolution ahead and how people wanted to get rid of the person in charge of it all. Then "the lightning bolt made enough heat to melt the street beneath your feet" continues that mood. The rest of the lyrics don't match up as well though... unless, and now I'm reaaally overthinking this, you change the perspective in the song to a young Alix's point of view, since it continues "Alice died in the night" (her mother) and "I've been learning to drive my whole life," i.e., learning to stand out/take over/lead, which is what she did in a way by becoming empress. (Reading back over this, I know officially think I'm crazy!!)

And the second song... I discovered this one sort of accidentally. It was a free download from iLike, and I haven't been able to find any albums or information about the artist other than what came with the song. Anyway, it's called "Missing (Disparu)" and is by Carol Donaghue, and it is the PERFECT song to describe the Anastasia mystery from a scientifically correct perspective, without deluding any of the "charm" of sorts of if she'd survived. Anyway, I couldn't even find any lyrics online, so I've transcribed them the best I could from what I've heard, but my French is still not perfect, so there are some details missing from that part. Anyway...

I lay in this world, look around me
I lay on this ground, cold earth below me
There is not a sound
No heartbeat, no feeling, no breathing

I am all alone, lying on my own
Find me, seek me, I’ll keep on calling
Don’t forget me, I’ll keep on calling
Please remember me
My face, my voice, my being

I’m only missing as you’ve yet to find me
I’m only missing as you’ve yet to find me here

Je suis étendu (this is gramatically incorrect but that's what it sounds like!) dans ce(tte) boîte (Translates as "I'm lying in this box" or "I laid in this box")
Regarde autour de moi ("Look around me")
Je suis étendu par terre ("I'm lying/I laid on the ground")
Sous moi le sol est froid ("Beneath me the earth is cold")
Tout est silencieux et tranquille ("All is silent and calm")
Sans vie, sans souffle, sans sensation ("Without life, without breath, without feeling")

Je suis toute seule (I am all alone)
étendu toute seule (Lying all alone)
Trouvez-moi, cherchez-moi (Find me, seek me)
J'appelle sans cesse (I'm calling without cease/constantly)
Ne m'oubliez pas, j'appelle sans cesse (Don't forget me, I'm calling constantly)
Ne m'oublize pas, s'il vous plaît (Don't forget me, please)
Mon visage, ma voix, mon être (My face, my voice, my being)

Je suis disparu, parce que vous ne me retrouvez pas (I'm missing because you haven't found me)
Je suis disparu, parce que vous ne me retrouvez pas ici (I'm missing because you haven't found me here)

I think that's mostly right. The singer might not be a native french speaker and that would account for some gramatical errors. Anyway, I think it sums up Anastasia's death pretty well, and the conflict over who was missing from the grave. Since it was offered officially by the singer as a free download, then I don't think it would be a problem to share it with you:

Having Fun! / Re: songs about naotmaa
« on: January 26, 2010, 10:09:25 PM »
My goodness, I could probably take up an entire page of this topic!!! (And I probably eventually will, unless someone objects!) First off, I agree completely with those who mentioned the various song from Viva La Vida representing the Romanovs... I really think Coldplay should just admit that they wrote the album about them. What else could those songs be about?? (Well, to be fair, a lot of my friends think Viva La Vida is about a Doctor Who character...) Anyway, to add another one to that list, "Death and All His Friends" is another great track from that album. It seems so much like the family reminiscing during those last days in the Ipatiev house... And then the hidden track at the end of the song ("The Escapist"), which repeats "We lie awake, and we dream of making our escape"... it reminds me so much of those stories of the nights they stayed up with full outfits on, hoping to be rescued.

And to the person who mentioned "Nearer My God To Thee" reminding them of the Romanovs... I just played my version from the Titanic soundtrack, and it totally gave me that whole atmosphere of an elegy to them... especially haunting is the fact that the Titanic version ends with the sound of people screaming... it's like a perfect requiem for their deaths.

As for my own observations... when I first learned about NAOTMAA in my high school history class, I wanted to see more pictures of them so i searched youtube to see if there were any slideshows, and I found a video with Tori Amos's "Yes, Anastasia"... I actually got the whole album after that and listened to it while I was studying for my test on Russian History. I don't know if it was the combination of hearing the music while learning about them, or looking at all of their pictures and feeling a sort of mystery surrounding them, but I basically found that almost every song on that CD has at least some lyrics that sound like the Romanovs' story. After that I kind of made it a challenge of sorts to myself to try and relate every Tori Amos song to NAOTMAA. And it's actually amazingly easy!! So many of her songs remind me of them. So that's what I'll end up filling this thread with, haha. But for now I'll start off with the few songs by others that also seem to have a Romanov connection... here's one of the greatest:

Regina Spektor - Après Moi
This song to me is the perfect embodiment of the February/March Revolution. The first verse is Nicholas's point of view in response to those wanting to abdicate... he's telling them that it's not just about him, but about upholding the institution of Tsardom...
I must go on standing
You can't break that which isn't yours
I must go on standing
I'm not my own, it's not my choice

The second verse then reminds me of what I read in Nicholas & Alexandra, about Alix getting paranoid during the revolution and writing to Nicky about all the different people she never trusted or who didn't like her...
Be afraid of the the lame, they'll inherit your legs
Be afraid of the old, they'll inherit your soul
Be afraid of the cold, they'll inherit your blood
"Après Moi, le déluge": after me comes the flood

The end of this verse is interesting because supposedly it was said by Madame du Pompadour to Louis XV, the last king of France before the revolution there. And she was basically right. So it's almost like Alix reminding Nicky of what could happen if he isn't strong.

Those verses then repeat a few times, followed by the most beautiful part of the song: a verse, in Russian, from a poem by Boris Pasternak. Not speaking Russian myself I've tried to find translations, and I've gotten many different versions, but the basic gist of it is something like "February, take up your pen and weep," which is of course fitting for the February Revolution. Here's the Russian text in case anyone wants to translate it: (no idea if the spelling is accurate)

Fevrale dostat chernil i plakat
Pisat O Fevrale navsnryd
Poka grohochushaya slyakot
Vesnoyu charnoyu gorit

And with Cyrillic lettering:
Февраль. Достать чернил и плакать!
Писать о феврале навзрыд,
Пока грохочущая слякоть
Весною черною горит.

Then the end of the song repeats the first two verses a few times, with sounds of bells and other things that seem to foreshadow doom. I wish it was still available on youtube. :( There is a live version you can listen to however:

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