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Having Fun! / Re: NAOTMAA and the Music of Today.

« on: April 11, 2010, 09:46:00 PM »

I wonder if OTMA would like the Jonas Brothers?  They, well Maria and Anastasia, were in the general age group that the Jo-Bros cater to.  I don't know it Tatiana and Olga would like them, since they were slightly older.  What do you think?

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Having Fun! / Re: WHAT WOULD THEY THOUGHT

« on: April 11, 2010, 09:08:17 PM »

I think that NAOTMAA, wherever they are now, must be smiling that they are still remembered and talked about, nearly a century after their lives were tragically cut short.  None of us here knew them, or were even born when they were alive.  Yet here we are, talking about them, celebrating their birthdays, musing on their lives and time.  

Lenin and his thugs wanted to obliterate the IF from history.  Well, needless to say, they failed, and I'm glad they did.

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska Part 7

« on: April 11, 2010, 06:38:17 PM »

I first heard of this back in the late 70's, on a show called In Search Of, which was hosted by Leonard Nimoy (who of course played Spock on Classic Star Trek).  I recently found that episode on YouTube and watched it.  They interviewed people on both sides of the fence.  At that time, AA was still alive, and living in Viriginia, and they talked to her and her husband, John Manahan.  Actually, John seemed to do most of the talking.  At one point, when AA is asked about the ongoing attempts to prove or disprove her claim, she said "I spit on them!"

Of course, back in the 1970's, there was still some doubt.  By the time the DNA tests debunked her claim, both Anna and John Manahan were dead (she died in 1984, he died in 1990).  I sometimes wonder about John, did he really believe AA was Anastasia, or was he a willing part of the con.  I guess we'll never really know.

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Having Fun! / Re: Romanov Fiction

« on: April 11, 2010, 06:22:16 PM »

Thanks, Katya, I'm glad you liked the story.

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Having Fun! / Re: More Romanov Dreams?

« on: April 11, 2010, 05:23:24 PM »

I had this one about 3 or 4 years ago.  This is the only part I remember.

I'm apparently camping out in the woods somewhere (no idea where), and I have this big camp fire going.  These four girls come out of the woods and ask me if they can sit at the fire and warm up.  I said yes, or something like that, and invited them to stay.  I gave them a thermos of coffee (or hot chocolate, I can't remember which) to help keep them warm.

It was not until I had woken up that I realized that the four girls were OTMA.  I wonder if this dream meant anything?

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Nicholas II / Re: Nic II's Plans to go abroad April 1917

« on: April 11, 2010, 05:13:24 PM »

Yeah, clearly somebody went back on their word, and NAOTMAA suffered their terrible fate because of it.  It would be interesting to read the records and see exactly what was going on.  I heard that, if such an evacuation had taken place, the Kaiser would have told his navy not to interfere (he was the first cousin of Alexandra).

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The Final Chapter / Re: Tragic parallels between the Romanov's and the Bourbon's.

« on: April 11, 2010, 05:06:10 PM »

Sorry, I'm still finding my way around here.

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The Final Chapter / Tragic parallels between the Romanov's and the Bourbon's.

« on: April 11, 2010, 10:41:20 AM »

I don't know if anyone else has posted this, but I have noticed that in many ways, history tragically repeated itself in the Russion Revolution.  The same thing, more or less, happened in France in their revolution.  Examples.

Russia/France was ruled by a leader who was not prepared for the job (Nicholas II/Louis XVI).

Both men were married to an unpopular queen (Alexandra/Marie Antoinette) who came from a foreign country (Germany/Austria).

Both families were ousted in a violent revolution and locked away.

The revolution ushered in an even more brutal regiem (Bolsheviks/Reign of Terror), led by a dictator (Lenin/Robespierre).

Finally, both Imperial families are put to death.



However, they are some some differences as well.  Unlike the Romanov's, Louis and Marie Antoinette were not put to death at the same time.  Louis was beheaded first, and Marie nine months later.  Their children were not executed, their son, the Dauphin (more on him a little farther down), died in prison and their daughter, Marie Therese survived, although she ended up exiled in Austria.

Robespierre was himself eventually overthrown and met the same fate as Louis and Marie Antoinette.  His regime was finshed.  Of course, Lenin was not overthrown and the regime he started would last for another 74 years.

The Bourbon's were briefly restored after the defeat of Napolean.  The Romanov's never got the throne back.

Coming back to the Dauphin, we find another parallel.  For a long time, no one was sure what became of him.  In the 19th century, several claiments turned up, saying they were him (sound familiar).  Like the Romanov claiments, it was DNA tests that finally debunked them all.  The Dauphin died in prison, he didn't make it out.

Tragic history repeated itself.

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Nicholas II / Re: Nic II's Plans to go abroad April 1917

« on: April 11, 2010, 10:23:28 AM »

That could be, however, George could have at least offered to take in OTMAA.

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Nicholas II / Re: Nic II's Plans to go abroad April 1917

« on: April 11, 2010, 10:13:02 AM »

It seems to me that the poor guy and his family got screwed over by everyone.  King George should have offered NAOTMAA refuge.  Apparently, for the rest of his life, George regretted not helping Nicky and his family.  Of course, no one at the time suspected that the Imperial Family would be brutally murdered.

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The Final Chapter / Re: Murder or execution? Thread 2

« on: April 10, 2010, 07:45:36 PM »

In my opinion, it was cold blooded murder, nothing more, nothing less.  Nicholas was out of power, and had been for over year.  He wasn't a threat to Lenin or any of his cronies.  Certinaly OTMAA did nothing to deserve such a horrible fate.  They were given no trial, no chance to speak in their own defense.  Yurovsky just came in, declared some speech, and then he and the rest of his hired thugs started blasting away.  It took twenty minutes for them to kill them all (some of the aformentioned thugs had been hitting the vodka and they were not professional marksmen).  It certainly wasn't quick and painless for the IF.

Also, some more of Yurovsky's thugs, who were waiting in the woods, were under the assumption that the executions would take place out there.  They too had been passing bottles of vodka around and were hoping to "have some fun" with the Grand Duchesses, before killing them (they didn't know they were already dead).  Read into that what you will.

Some people said that Nicholas II was an autocrat.  Well, even if he was, he and his family didn't deserve this.  Even top ranking Nazis got their day in court.

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Having Fun! / Re: How Did You Found This Website?

« on: April 10, 2010, 06:41:07 PM »

I Googled OTMA and it led me here.

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Having Fun! / Re: Romanov Fiction

« on: April 10, 2010, 03:47:31 PM »

I have a series of stories called the Rex and Hannah Chronicles, it's a spin-off of the TV series Charmed (anyone here familiar with that show).  Anyway, my 13th R&H Chronicles story, Requiem, involved R&H encountering the Romanov's.  If you are interested in reading the story, this link will take you to it.  I hope you enjoy it.


http://aussiejulianbboard.yuku.com/topic/717/t/13-Requiem.html