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The Windsors / Re: Change of name to Windsor in 1917
« on: April 22, 2014, 04:17:12 PM »
At the moment I would say that the family name will be plain Windsor for the foreseeable future. Mountbatten-Windsor doesn't really seem to have caught on, and the Earl of Wessex's daughter - the only one among the Queen's descendants who currently uses a surname day-to-day - is Lady Louise Windsor, not Mountbatten-Windsor.


How I understood it, all the non-royal lines of Elizabeth and Phillip's descendants would bear it. Since Louise & James didn't have a royal title, I would think it would have started with them but perhaps the unusual circumstances there (since they should have been a Prince/Princess like Harry, Beatrice and Eugenie) prevented it? I don't know. I guess we'll have to wait until Harry has children to see what the surname is. Anne kind of threw some confusion into the issue when she signed her first marriage register Anne Mountbatten-Windsor as well. During the court case over the 2012 topless photos scandal, William was referred to as "Monsieur William Arthur Philip Louis Mountbatten-Windsor" by the courts of the French Republic.

Could someone explain why the book is so expensive?
from $200.00
10 Used from $200.00
5 New from $340.06
2 Collectible from $200.99)


Some people are just trying to make a buck is all. If the book has a relatively small (as opposed to a Stephen King or John Grisham) press run and so less copies are available, they try to jack up the price of their copies.

Art announced that in June they will be re-releasing the Four Graces in the style done with his new book Apapa--that means more photos and information.

The Hohenzollern / Re: Hannover jewels
« on: April 22, 2014, 04:37:53 AM »
For years I've looked for a good picture of the Hanoverian crown and finally there is one, from the upcoming exhibition at Marienburg Castle for the 300th anniversary of the British-Hanoverian personal union and the 200th anniversary of Hanover's elevation to a kingdom:
Der Weg zur Krone - Das Königreich Hannover und seine Herrscher

Apparantly the exhibition was opened by Hereditary Prince Ernst-August of Hanover: Выставка в замке Мариенбург
Präsentation der Krone auf Schloss Marienburg
News videos: Hannoversche Königskrone nach 148 Jahren wieder zu Hause and Großer Auftritt für Hannovers Krone

Thanks for this information! I just arrived on our 3 year tour in Belgium and I am *definitely* adding this to my 'to do' list.

I don't know for sure but I'd guess the following:

Marie Antoinette left one surviving child, the future Duchess d'Angouleme. Her nephew was the Comte de Chambord who seems to have been her main beneficiary. He died without children and his inheritance was left to his nephew, Robert I, Duke of Parma (son of Henri's late sister). However, Robert's sister may have also inherited some and it was her son who was the Duke of Madrid--Alicia's father.

Marie Antoinette--Marie Therese m.    Louis Antoine, Duke of Angoulême--(nephew) Comte de Chambord--(niece) Duchess of Madrid--Alicia

Having Fun! / Re: Rare Pictures XII
« on: March 23, 2014, 03:02:00 PM »
Posting the link is not only erring on the side of caution, it can also be less time-consuming for the poster rather than uploading, etc... :)

Out of curiosity, if my story, Bid Time Return, ever got published, would I be added here.  Granted my story is Science Fiction, but it DOES involve the Romanovs.

Yes, it would. Obviously, many of the authors who hang out here published works about the Romanovs or other royalty. But I listed all their books (at least the ones I know of) whether they are royal-based or not and it doesn't matter if they were fiction or non-fiction.

And Griff has duly been added as a published member on the 'authors on the AP Forum' thread. :)

The Hohenzollern / Re: Books on the Hohenzollerns
« on: March 18, 2014, 04:35:53 PM »
John van der Kiste is working on a book (it's almost due to be sent to the publisher) on the 3 youngest of the daughters of Empress Frederick & Friedrich III--Victoria, Sophie and Margaret. It started off as a potential ebook ala his one on Charlotte & Feodore but grew and now will be published in print form. Can't wait! He has a Facebook page for anyone who wants to 'like' it and follow it for updates.

Having Fun! / Re: Rare Pictures XII
« on: March 18, 2014, 04:32:31 PM »
Some of the different combinations of photos from the well-known sessions of 1905, 1913 and 1916 were released in illustrated magazines of the day. I don't know if that's where the image originated or if it is an actual cabinet card/postcard. Russian illustrated magazines are much harder to come by then English and German ones but all of them are wealth of less-common photos or less-common images from well-known sittings. BTW, the book is 54% off for Kindle from amazon. I would snap it up now if I hadn't given up buying any ebooks (a real weakness) for Lent. Hope it doesn't go up in price between now and the end of April!

Updated the list to include our own Griffith Henninger who will have his first (but I'm sure not last!) article published this month. It's  on Alix's war relief work and will be published in Royalty Digest Quarterly. Longtime members may remember when Griffith first started tracking this work and posting on it and now it has become a full-blown published article. Congratulations! :)

Yes, looking forward to reading that!

Rappaport's "Four Sisters" I don't see included yet on the list. Or are we adding books only once they're released in full to the public?

I usually wait until the book is out just to err on the side of caution--title changes, etc...

Updated the list to include our own Griffith Henninger who will have his first (but I'm sure not last!) article published this month. It's  on Alix's war relief work and will be published in Royalty Digest Quarterly. Longtime members may remember when Griffith first started tracking this work and posting on it and now it has become a full-blown published article. Congratulations! :)

Here's her obituary:

Elizabeth S. De Bruniere Gale
AUSTIN, Texas -
 Elizabeth Saroukhanoff De Bruniere Gale'; 90, died :.
She was born in Tblisi.
Surviving are her daughter, Odette Terrel pes Clienes; a son Gordon E. Gale; a number of grandchildren; and number of great-grandchildren. Graveside services were held Dec. 4
.at the Red Bluff Plantation in South Carolina. , , .
Remembrances: Christ of The Hills
•Monastery, PO Box 1049,Blanco,Texas
78606. , - •"

Her daughter Odette's obituary (2011) also listed her mother's maiden name as Saroukhanoff.  Elizabeth had made a second marriage to Elbridge Gale. Interestingly, a Bruniere, Fauvre de Bruniere signed the death warrant for King Louis XVI.

Grant Menzies wrote: "The child was the daughter of Comtesse Elizabeth de Bruniere, with whom MP was living in Buenos Aires - EdB was trapped in the US when that country entered WWII, and Odette had to make do with the not very child-loving Grand Duchess.  When it came time to sign off on Odette's report card, Marie signed it as if there were still an imperial
Russia, and as if she hadn't been married to Prince Putiatin." Marie had signed the report card Grand Duchesse Marie de Russie.

Link to Odette's obituary:

and a memorial site:

Link to Odette's wedding announcement:

Link to a book on Millicent Rogers with a few pages that talk about her friendship with Elizabeth:

There was also this bit on a presentation she gave in 1985: "The final program, to be held at 8 P.M. Oct. 23 in the Hurlbutt Gallery on the second floor, is to be given by Elizabeth Saroukhanoff Gale, who fled with her family from Russia to Paris in 1919, when she was 15 years old. Her lecture is titled ''From Georgia to Georgia,'' indicating where she spent the last years in her homeland and the first year in her adopted country. "

Balkan Royal Families / Re: Help with Photo ID and/or Caption
« on: March 05, 2014, 05:53:57 PM »
I don't know about the woman on the far right but are the ladies 2nd and 4th from left Montenegrin? Perhaps Anna (2nd) and either Xenia or Vera?

I don't want this to veer too far off-topic but was she the sister of Hans Viktor von Salviati? He is sometimes listed as 'Graf' and was one of the plotters (perhaps along with Louis Ferdinand?) in the failed attempt to assassinate Hitler. He was later executed for his role. I don't know if a) they were related b) he was actually a 'Graf' since sometimes it's listed and sometimes not and c) whether it was hereditary and, if Dorothea was related, their father was a Graf or if the title was bestowed on him individually.

Neither of them were count or countess, but they may have been siblings. The few referances to a comital title for these two are mainly on English-language pages, not the German ones, and is probably based on a misunderstanding, a mix-up with the Italian Counts Salviati. The Prussian family is listed in the Genealogisches Handbuch der adeligen Häuser. Adelige Häuser B, Band XV, not in Gräfliche Häuser.

Actually most of the sites I found about Hans Viktor WERE in German and not English. However, it doesn't seem, upon further research today, that they were siblings. But the sites that *did* list them as siblings were German (or English using a German source) and not English ones.

One of the few English references I saw to Hans Viktor was John Wheeler-Bennett's memoirs were he recounted meeting Hans Viktor before WW2 and liking him very much.

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