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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Biggest questions I want answered
« on: September 10, 2005, 10:48:15 PM »
As a frequent lurker on this sometimes "negatively" charged discussion I am almost hesitant to jump in on the question of linguistic expertise and if it points to any conclusive ideas on AA's identity, but what the hay here it goes, I have already yelled  at DHL for losing the textbooks I needed for the class i am teaching this weekend what is getting yelled at by fellow passionate devotees of this board?  As a qualifier I am certainly not an expert, reading a linguistics 101 text ages ago doesn't qualify. Or does it? *evil grin*

As someone who frequently works with people of many, many different nationalities and/or cultural origins, I know I can certainly pick up distinct patterns of speech that my clients and students have learned from their English as a Second Language tutors.   I also know that certianly anyone can pick up speech patterns, I have certainly picked up some less than the Queen's own English patterns from some of my East Asian clients that haven't wrapped their tongues around the bastard language of Canadian English.

My point is that if English was AA's second or third or umpteenth language she would have likely picked up speech patterns and cadences that would be indicative of the origin of whatever her teacher's origin may have been.

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1) A slim very slim possibility of survivors. Really like 99.89% sure that the answer is no survivors.

2) Definitely not!

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Forum Announcements / Re: Where do you come from?
« on: June 24, 2005, 03:10:32 PM »
I am Canadian. Currently living in Edmonton, Alberta.

I have a rather mixed heritage of Ukrainian orgin on my Father's side and on my Mother's side British empire in origin (we don't know if it is Irish, Scots, Welsh or Brit as Great-Great-Great grandfather was shipped to Newfoundland when it was a penal colony) and some sort of native Canadian.

Nicole

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Forum Announcements / Re: Request
« on: June 23, 2005, 12:45:26 PM »
I have a very fast internet connection and I find that some of the larger sigs really slowdown the page load time.  I can only imagine what it is for someone on dial-up.

I don't think it is rude to request smaller sigs but rather that all of us should be considerate enough to realize people should have equal opportunity to access this wonderful place.

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The Final Chapter / Re: Captivity photo's
« on: June 20, 2005, 12:44:36 AM »
I have always wondered about the roof top pictures myself.

Any teenager with a window and a tree knows that rooftops lead to freedom. It always seemed curious to me that prisoners would be let out onto a roof top.

Then again maybe I was too much of a deviant in my younger days.

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You know, as one of the resident lurkers in these parts the personal attacks and zealous defense of accepted theories are amusing and at the same time rather a bore to sift through.

That being said this thread certainly is interesting.  As a person who is completing a degree in biological science (major molecular genetics) I am most amused by the thought that the family tree of Victoria as used in many text books could have to be revised if anyone were to prove that the haemophilia diagnosis was incorrect tickles my funny bone.  I know that would hit my pcoket book if several of my favourite texts had to have a new edition published due to error!

Please continue the fascinating discussion but with less of the throat crushing please!

Perhaps we should fund some gentic tests to ascertain whether or not the Queen Victoria hemophilia hypothesis is correct or incorrect.

Nicole

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The Final Chapter / Re: Plots of Rescue of IF fr 1917- July 1918
« on: April 08, 2005, 03:17:39 PM »
I don't know enough to say for sure there was a plot.  I assume that the provisional government must have suspected there might be an attempt if they kep them on lock down.  I know if I were in the position of captor I would assume there would be factions still loyal to the Tsar who might attempt a rescue.

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The Alexander Palace / Re: Food, Wine and Meals
« on: April 06, 2005, 01:38:07 PM »
That sounds so yummy! Truly a dessert fit for royalty!

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: So who WAS she, then?
« on: February 14, 2005, 06:55:55 AM »
I should have been more clear about what i meant by cousin.  I meant some sort of relation to the umpteenth remove.

I look at my family on which my Dad's side came from Ukraine via Austria in the late 1800's.  In the place they settled there was something like 100 people related by blood (siblings, cousins, aunt's etc. at the time of sttlement).  Now 100 years later there are literally 1000's of the family in Western Canada alone and some confirmed "relatives" still in Austria and Ukraine. That being said I use quotations around the word relative because they are so far removed I have a greater chance of being closely related in a genetic sense to my next door neighbour.  Basically when I meant cousin I meant some sort of distant relative that shared maternal ancestry.


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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: So who WAS she, then?
« on: February 14, 2005, 06:17:45 AM »
I am a little confused here, not that I am surprised given the time.

My genetics is a little rusty not having been used in awhile, so forgive me if I am obsessed with what should be an obvious and likely trivial bit of info.

Re: the testing done on the hair -> if I recall, hair isn't the best testing medium because to get a "good" match the root has to be still attached?

Assuming AA isn't FS (and beyond interest in the I got lost in the library variety, I do not really care if she was or wasn't) could it be likely she is some sort of cousin? If FS is from a small Polish village and the mtDNA is a match to CM (the nephew or whatever he was) it means they have to be related sometime within the last  500 years +/- a few years. My line here (forgive the convoluted thinking, i have spent 3 hours reading this thread and it's after 5 in the morning. I am hoping not to have my first post trounced upon *laughs*) is this: KNowing how small communities work you can assume a large number of the inhabitants share at least one common ancestor usually with in the last 100 years or so (or so it works in small town Alberta based on migration patterns of settlers) and I assume this holds true in europe.  If they share a common ancester our FS and CM (Carl Mauchnesr {sp?}) would have an mtDNA match barring any mutations, correct?

So if AA isn't FS but matches CM -> she could potentially be anyone from with in the same geographic region (which was my original point I think).  If AA was originally Polish is it not possible that she was perhaps either a relative of an individual that was in contact with the Imperial Family (perhaps a servant from one of the Polish hunting lodges as I am making a huge assumption that they kept some amount of local staff at those places), thus explaining her "insider knowledge" or perhaps AA herself was somehow connected in a very loose way with the Imperial family?  I realize that the question seems to be stretching things a bit, please bear with me.  I am going with all the second and third hand comments that claim AA did not speak or behave like a peasant (I can provide citations tomorrow when I can go raid my reading queue but I don't want to wake my husband up for that) -> if that is the case could she have either observed and imitated upper-class behaviours and mannerisms?  

I hope that made sense as re-reading it it doesn't seem to be a cohesive and logical arguement.  

I sincerely hope that I will come back and not be afraid to post any further comments.

Nicole  

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