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The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part V.
« on: September 03, 2012, 06:26:47 PM »
original state

The Habsburgs / Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
« on: August 18, 2012, 09:12:35 PM »
The article itself is about the Queen Elisabeth Memorial Museum, which opened in Budapest in 1907. The museum was destroyed in the WWII during of the bombing of the Buda Castle, the remaining items returned to the collection of the Hungarian National Museum in 1946. The millennium dress did nor survive...

The Habsburgs / Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
« on: August 18, 2012, 09:07:15 PM »
Here's the second link again:
or you can find it here:
click "Vasárnapi Ujság"

And the picture itself:

The so-called Millennium portrait (the retouched photo by Strelisky) is a fake. None of the descriptions mention that she wore a tiara during the celebrations.

The Habsburgs / Re: Books on the Habsburgs
« on: August 14, 2012, 05:21:13 PM »
Really? I thought it was one of the best books on Elisabeth alongside Elisabeth. Bilder Ihres Lebens by Johannes Thiele,  Elisabeth - Bilder einer Kaiserin. Portraits of an Empress by Brigitte Hamann, and Elisabeth: Prinzessin in Bayern, Kaiserin von Österreich, Königin von Ungarn by Gerda Mraz & Ulla Fischer-Westhauser ...

Bilder einer Kaiserin is a bit disappointing. I have a 1992 Hungarian edition, but I don't think that many things have changed in the new ones. Incorrent dates and attributions, sometimes the quality of the reproductions is poor, too.
Ulla Fischer-Westhauser's book - which corrected many of Hamann's mistakes - is REALLY great, it's sad that the book is based only on the (otherwise stunning) collection of the Österreichische Nationalbibliothek. It would be great to expand the research area and include for example the Hungarian montages, paintings, retouched photographs, etchings based on the same originals. There are many...
As a Hungarian art historian I'm working on something similar, I already have some publications about this topic, and I hope that in a few years these researches will lead to a book like Fischer-Westhauser's. Fingers crossed...

The Habsburgs / Re: Joszi Arpad Koppay
« on: August 14, 2012, 03:48:49 PM »
What nice, I didn't know that this wonderful portrait was made by Arpad Koppay!! Here in color and bigger:

Sadly, the original painting's location is unknown, and the colour version is only a hand coloured photograph...
Lower right corner of it:

The Habsburgs / Re: Joszi Arpad Koppay
« on: August 11, 2012, 09:16:59 AM »
Another portrait of Empress Elisabeth by Koppay.

The Habsburgs / Re: Joszi Arpad Koppay
« on: August 10, 2012, 09:28:37 PM »

Count and Countess Lonyay


Countess Lónyay means here Archduchess Stephanie...

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part V.
« on: August 10, 2012, 07:31:22 PM »
Empress Sissi with Ferenc Deak, it is located at Gödöllo Palace. Is a really nice surprise to see that it is really a painting, the verssions that I saw of it before suggested that it was just a print!! If I'm not wrong it has been recently in restoration.

Click here for bigger!!


Better verssion of this?

Yes, you're right. After the restoration it will be exhibited in the Gödöllő palace.
One more pic:

Read more here:
Sorry, sorry, it's in Hungarian. Maybe I'll write a longer post about the panting later...

The Habsburgs / Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
« on: August 10, 2012, 07:20:57 PM »
I think in the end only the black dresses survived in her closet at the time of her death. The gray dress she wore for Valarie's wedding was an exception...

Yes, many of the real dresses -not replicas- that still exist are mainly of the mourning years -here I've seen 4 or 5, and also her very well known last dress-. Is a pity that the black dress that she wore at the Hungarian Millenium celebration (1896) isn't available today, not minding that is one of the last dresses that she wore, and also considering that she wore it for a very important event. I wonder if the famous light gray dress still exist? Here only was posted a pinkish dress that Sissi wore for MV's engagement but not for the wedding. Here, was posted time ago a photo of one grayish dress but I can't assure when she really wore it.

Maybe (and only maybe) I can show you something new: photos from 1899 and 1907 of the black Hungarian dress worn during the Millennium celebrations
page 396
(I also have a HQ scan of it)
and see also
page 961

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: June 02, 2007, 07:20:14 AM »
The Benczúr portrait has arrived to Gödöllő. It's still wrapped to bubble-wrap, but it's good to see it again.  :)

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: May 31, 2007, 11:11:37 AM »
The TuT famliy is addicted to photos and to their family :)

I've just discovered an other statue of Elisabeth in the Th&T Collections: on the right you can see a small version of the Gödöllő monument by József Róna!
Are there more photos showing the original state of the collection?

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: May 31, 2007, 05:51:38 AM »
And there's the famous portrait of the engaged couple, too...
And the statue indeed... (A small porcelain version of the one made by Hermann Klotz for the Elisabeth Memorial Church in Bp in 1907)...

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: May 30, 2007, 05:32:27 AM »

** - i apologize for the angle & quality of a couple of these, but they're the best i could do :-[ 

notice she's wearing the tiara she wore for the coronation in hungary.
i don't know what the occasion this portrait may have been documenting, but it was definately not her wedding!!  :P

(**as far as i know, this painting has never been published (or exhibited), so unfortunately i don't know the artist)
It’s a really big surprise to see the Rengensburg portrait by Benczúr here.
Last week in the Sisi portraits topic (Empress Sissi & Family More Pics) somebody had sent two small details of the Regensburg Benczúr portrait, and she was looking for a reproduction of the whole painting. Here’s my answer:
"In 1898 Emperor Franz Joseph commissioned five portraits of Elisabeth for the former Empress' ladies in waiting. Two of them were painted by Gyula Benczúr. The one painted for Ida Ferenczy is to be found today in the Hungarian National Museum (Oil, canvas, 142 x 92,5 cm, inv. no. 1861), this is the FAMOUS ONE, which can be seen on the cover of Hamann's album, and on the cover of the Hungarian album mentioned above, too (now there are plans of a second edition).
Now it's not on display, but it will be one of the highlights of a new temporary exhibition "The Cult of Elisabeth" in Gödöllő. (Opening: 7th June). (…)
So, the second portrait by Benczúr was painted for Irma Sztáray (also in 1899). Now it's lost, but there are some historical photos of it, and there's a replica (presumably also by Benczúr himself) in the Thurn und Taxis Kunstsammlungen in Regensburg, Germany. (oil, canvas, 138 x 94 cm, inv. no.: St.E. 492.) It was on display in the exhibition "Bavaria - Germania - Europa, Geschichte auf Bayerisch" in the Haus der Bayerischen Geschichte in Augsburg in 2000 (cat. no. 6.48.). The small colour detail posted before is from the official website of this exhibition. There's a photo showing the complete painting is colour on the website as well, but I was unable to download it. The BW detail posted before seems to be detail of the original painting.
(And there's a third portrait of Benczúr: a full length one showing E in the same dress with a dog - it was burnt during the WW II)."
The portrait painted for Countess Sztáray
The first portrait is something I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE
It's a really strange one, the hair and the dress (and also the painting itself) suggests that it was made (or it shows Elisabeth) in the 1890s, but the dress is WHITE  ???. I think this is one of the strange 1890s/posthumous "compilations"  ;D

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: May 25, 2007, 08:56:01 PM »
Very lovely ! Where is it located ?  ???
Gödöllő :)

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: May 18, 2007, 04:16:17 AM »
- for Ida Ferenczy: Gyula Benczúr, today: Hungarian National Museum
- for Irma Sztáray: Gyula Benczúr, today: location unknown, replica (presumably by Benczúr): Thurn und Taxis Kunstsammlungen, Regensburg
- for Marie Festetics: by József Koppay, today: Hungarian National Museum
- for Marie Therese Harrach, born Thurn und Taxis and
- for Leontin Andrássy, born Wenckheim: two similar portraits by Leopold Horovitz (I still don't know which is which, it needs more researches)
One of them appeared on the 1999 Kaiserhaus Auction of Dorotheum, now it can be found in a traditional Vienna wine cellar’s „museum” (Piaristenkeller, Franz Joseph Hutmuseum)
The other: location unknown
I'll send photos, too.

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