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The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: May 23, 2006, 06:55:08 AM »
I think, you don't know these: two portraits of the "old" Empress by Gyula Benczur (you know, he painted that famous "Kniestück" of Elisabeth in black drass and with golden brocade background) and Ede Telcs. The first was made in 1909 for the National Casino in Budapest (and was destroyed during the WWII), the second was made in 1901.


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OK, so one of the graves is still there. Thanks for the info. I'll search it next time when I visit Gödöllö. (I've still managed to find the photo of the tombstones posted before. It was made by Mór Erdélyi in the early 1890s).

D

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The Habsburgs / Palaces,residencies, estates of the Habsburgs
« on: May 18, 2006, 10:49:13 AM »
The plan is from that book ("A nádori kripta"). It has a digital version online (sadly, only in Hungarian):
http://mek.oszk.hu/01500/01599/html/index.htm
I'll think about interesting books...

db

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I once read Empress Elisabeth buried her favorite dog Shadow in the park of Godollo. I wonder if the grave is still there?

Yes, the grave is still there. Sisi buried in Gödöllö two dogs. Here is a picture of the tombstones of Shadow and Plato, the queen's favorite dogs, in the front garden.


Is that sure, that the graves are still there? I've NEVER EVER heard of it before.

D

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The Habsburgs / Palaces,residencies, estates of the Habsburgs
« on: May 18, 2006, 08:09:22 AM »
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Thanks so much dboro.

I will make an appointment to visit the royal crypt. Do you know if the grave of Archduchess Marie Dorothea (later Princess of Orleans) is still in Alcsút? I once read she was buried there but Iam not sure if her remains were later moved to Budapest.

Paola

I'll look after it. She died in Alcsút in 1932. I'm sure that her body was not moved to Bp. Here's a plan of the Budapest crypt. This is the actual state - it's in Hungarian, but I think, it won't be hard to understand.

D


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I haven't heard of it before, but I wouldn't be surprised  :)

db

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The Habsburgs / Palaces,residencies, estates of the Habsburgs
« on: May 18, 2006, 02:50:50 AM »
The Crypt can be visited as an exhibition of the Hungarian National Gallery. More info:
http://www.mng.hu/eng/belso.php?inf=informacio_en#belepoLink

Gödöllö:
http://www.kiralyikastely.hu/

Botanical Garden, Alcsutdoboz:
Wed-Sun 9-18h
http://www.vendegvaro.hu/34-46
http://www.alcsutdoboz.hu/alcsutdoboz/telepulesunk_bemutatkozik/

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The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: May 18, 2006, 02:40:27 AM »
The original statue was made by the Austrian sculptor, Hermann Klotz in 1907. It was ordered by Ida von Ferenczy, Countess Marie Festetics and Baron Ferenc Nopcsa for the Queen Elizabeth Memorial Church in Budapest. The church was consacreted in 1908. The life-sized marble version was erected in the vestibule of the church. Surprisingly, the statue was not removed during the first decade of the Communism, but it was seriously damaged during the fights of the revolution in 1956. Now it's replaced with an altar. A Vienna firm (the Porzellanfabrik A. Förster) manufactured small porcelain versions (full length & bust) shortly after 1907. Now it's a popular auction item. A copy from one of the Kaiserhaus auctions of Dorotheum:



Another life-sized variant was to be found in the Hofburg, Vienna. Now it's on display in the new Sisi Museum.



I knew, that also the Metropolitan Museum has a copy of the porcelain version, but I haven't seen that before. So thanks for the photo,

Daniel


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I am searching this picture of Empress Elizabeth of Austria (Sisi) with her dog Shadow. I only have it in bad quality and only a part of it. Does anybody of you have it or knows in which book it is ? Can anybody post it ? I would be so happy to find it.


The National Photo Archive of the Hungarian National Museum has it, and it was published in 2004, in a volume about the history of colour(ed) photography in Hungary. I'll try to scan it for you.

Please try to scan it for me. I would be so happy.... Can you please tell me more details about that book (History of colour(ed) photography in Hungary). Is it still possible to buy it and where ?
Thanks.

Greetings
Alice of Hesse

Details:

Színes Magyarország : a kezdetekt[ch337]l 1956-ig / Hungary in color : from the beginnings to 1956 / ed. by János Varga F.; [text by  Károly Kincses, János Varga F.] ; [transl. by Piroska Nagy] /. [Budapest] , M. Hiv. Közlönyk, 2003
ISBN: 9639221511
 I think it's still available in Hungary. Try www.libri.hu (it's in Hungarian, but if you insert the ISBN to the top left /quick search/ window, you'll find some more information.
The scanned pic is coming soon...

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I am searching this picture of Empress Elizabeth of Austria (Sisi) with her dog Shadow. I only have it in bad quality and only a part of it. Does anybody of you have it or knows in which book it is ? Can anybody post it ? I would be so happy to find it.



The National Photo Archive of the Hungarian National Museum has it, and it was published in 2004, in a volume about the history of colour(ed) photography in Hungary. I'll try to scan it for you.

D

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The Habsburgs / Palaces,residencies, estates of the Habsburgs
« on: May 08, 2006, 10:14:54 AM »
Yes, it is. It's the so-called Habsburg Hall (see my previous posts) with the busts of Emperor Charles III, Maria Theresia, Franz Joseph and Elisabeth. The ceiling was decorated with an allegoric, Tiepolo-like wall-painting of Károly Lotz, The Apotheosis of Franz Joseph and Elisabeth. This room almost completely survived the bombings of 1944. There's a short film from 1945: a father shows the ruins of the castle to his son. He speaks about the former glory: he shows 15th century woodcuts of the castle, pages from King Matthias Hunyadi (Corvinus)'s (1458-1490) famous Florentine manuscripts, the so-called corvinas to illustrate the palace's Medieval Grandeur. He shows the baroque-neobaroque ruins as examples of vanity. Then they visit the ruins of the Habsburg Hall - the father says, that ART conquered WAR: the fresco of the famous Lotz remained (Not surprisingly, he ignores it's theme...)
After this film, it's srange to see the consequences: The whole palace became (officially) national monument in 1948. In the 1950-70s archeologists were really proud of their work: they managed to find many fragments of the Medieval palace under the Baroque one. BUT while they did a great job down under, they almost completely destroyed the baroque-neobaroque interiors (because of art historical/political reasons) and in the name of modern priciples of historical monuments' protection, they cleaned the baroque exteriors from the Neobaroque changes, and then they needed to alter the originally neobaroque wings, too, to make a "standardized" look. Etc. etc. The Habsburg Hall was demolished in the early 1960s. Today, it's replaced with a totally modern (and very ugly) interior.

P.s. The busts of Charles III & Maria Theresia are remained. They needed serious restorations, because in the 1960s, after the demolition of the room, they were trown out, but now they're on desplay again, in the Budapest History Museum (in one of the wings of the former Royal Palace)

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The Habsburgs / Palaces,residencies, estates of the Habsburgs
« on: April 28, 2006, 01:32:34 PM »
Some of the so-called ruins before the demolition, 1960.   :'(


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The Habsburgs / Palaces,residencies, estates of the Habsburgs
« on: April 26, 2006, 11:49:53 AM »
If you can't see the thumbnails, you can click to the titles, too, or you can try it again. Sometimes this database does REALLY wierd things...

I know the exhibition and the catalogue of the exhibition organized in the Musée Carnevalet, but it doesn't contain so many pictures of the 18-20th century palace. This exhibition followed a huge one organized in the Budapesti Történeti Múzeum (Museum of Budapest History) of Budapest in 2000, entitled "A Budavári Palota évszázadai". It was a really great show presenting many original plans, photographs, works of art & other objects from the 18-20th century history of the palace. It has a rather interesting catalogue, sadly, with small B&W illustrations. That's why I didn't added it to the list. So good luck again, and if you have any questions, or if you need any picture, just ask. I scanned some pics for my thesis, maybe I'll send them, too.

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The Habsburgs / Palaces,residencies, estates of the Habsburgs
« on: April 23, 2006, 05:46:28 AM »
Grazie e congratulazioni  :)

Daniel

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The Habsburgs / Palaces,residencies, estates of the Habsburgs
« on: April 20, 2006, 01:37:40 PM »
It's a little bit difficult to answer...
the photographs are from the digital archive of the Szabó Ervin Library of Budapest. It's really difficult to use, and it's only in Hungarian, so I found it better to send many of them directly to this thread.
If you're patient enough to try to see all the 150 digital images online, here1s what to do:
1. go to www.fszek.hu
2. click "adatbázisok" (databases) on the top
3. then click "saját adatbázisok" (own databases) on the left
4. click "Budapest képarchívum" (Budapest Picture Archive) on the left
5. click "Budapest képarchívum" again - on the bottom right (over the image)
these were only the first steps...
6. if you're lucky, you can see the "keresés" (search) window now (it looks really complicated) if you can't click the torch icon in the upper left corner
searching is VERY complicated here - if you're looking for images of the royal palace, the best thing to do is to search it as an "objektum"
so:
7. click to the "index" button in the line of "objektumról"
a new window appears with a list of the "objektum"s (buildings, statues etc.) in alphabetical order
8. find "királyi várpalota" (the easiest way is to write in the words "kiralyi varpalota" or kiralyi next to the "kezdet" (beginning) & then click "keres" (search)
9. if you managed to find the "királyi várpalota" in the list, choose it & click "beír + bezár"
now you're again in the "keresés" window & you can see
"KIRÁLYI VÁRPALOTA ->"
as the searched "objektum" (it would be easy to write it in in step 6, but you can do it only if you've got this character: Á, because the program doesn't understand "KIRALYI VARPALOTA ->"  :(
10. click "keres" (search) (in the bottom left corner)
a new window appears...
11. click "lista" (list) (in the bottom left corner)
FINALLY, a list appears with 151 thumbnail images of the royal palace...
it wasn't that difficult, was it?  :)

I wrote down this complicated process, because finding books about the palace abroad seems to me more difficult. I think they were published only in Hungary, the best ones are:

Hauszmann Alajos, A magyar királyi vár, s. l. [Budapest], 1912 - a great book by architect Alajos Hauszmann with many big, high quality images...
Czagány István, A Budavári Palota és a Szent György téri épületek, Budapest, 1966. - it was published only in 3300 copies...
I don't have any of them... Anyhow, good luck to find some pics/books!!

Daniel Borovi

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