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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Hessian Plane Crash 1937
« on: December 24, 2012, 02:27:31 AM »
Thanks for sharing that titbit. He seems a very charming & handsome man. How did he become close to the Hesse brothers ?

The Barons Riedesel were an old Darmstadt noble family - they'd had high positions at court for centuries and therefore the boys might have had their lessons together

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Hessian Plane Crash 1937
« on: December 22, 2012, 02:15:55 AM »
My grandmother had dancing lessons with Joachim von Riedesel in the 1920ies - in 1926 her parents invited some guests for an informal dinner and dance and everyone had to sign the guestbook with a little self-made poem. The young Riedesel wrote a charming line.

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The museum is obviously wrong as letters in her orden are written in cyrillic just indicating who the sitter is...

The museum is correct - the portrait shows Natalia/Wilhelmine's youngest sister Luise Grand Duchess of Saxe Weimar, Goethe's close friend.

Empress Catherine decorated not only Wilhelmine but also her mother Caroline and her two sisters Amalie and Luise (who all came to Russia to meet the Heir who was supposed to chose one of them) with the order of St. Catharine. Therefore the caption is quite correct. Another copy of the Strecker is located in the Porcelain Collection of the Grand Dukes of Hesse, Prinz Georg Palace, Darmstadt.

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In memoriam   16. 11. 1937 - 2012

Eleonore Großherzogin von Hessen und bei Rhein

Georg Donatus und Cécile Erbgroßherzog und Erbgroßherzogin von Hessen und bei Rhein

Ludwig und Alexander Prinzen von Hessen und bei Rhein

Joachim Riedesel Freiherr zu Eisenbach

Lina Hahn

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Elisabeth Prinzessin von Hessen und bei Rhein

+ 16. 11. 1903 /2012

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Grand Duke Ludwig IV
« on: October 07, 2012, 01:41:40 PM »
Just another British Princess since Mary Stuart?? And your point is?

The Princess Royal was constantly treated as "the Englishwoman" at the Prussian court - literally until she died.
Perhaps you should widen your point up to a more general German thing :)

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Grand Duke Ludwig IV
« on: October 05, 2012, 03:04:27 PM »
This does not answer my questions and underlines the weakness of your point...

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Grand Duke Ludwig IV
« on: October 05, 2012, 01:07:44 PM »
Can u quote a number of specific lines for us please?

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Grand Duke Ludwig IV
« on: October 04, 2012, 12:33:21 PM »
Princess Karl, Eric, has left probably the hugest collection of letters from and to great heads of her times in the Hessian Archives. They include the Humboldts, Bishop von Ketteler just to name three
Not knowing anything about her it is hard to judge like that.....

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Grand Duke Ludwig IV
« on: October 04, 2012, 08:36:15 AM »
But how can u know that she did not support Alice? I have not read the letters they exchanged - have u?

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Grand Duke Ludwig IV
« on: October 02, 2012, 12:48:11 PM »
Help for what?

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Grand Duke Ludwig IV
« on: October 02, 2012, 06:01:51 AM »
Princess Karl supported Alice very much and it seems their relation was a very good one although their views could be quite different at times.
Princess Alice needed work like breathing - very much her father's daughter.

And was it not her saying that "life is meant for work and not for pleasure"?

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Grand Duke Ludwig IV
« on: September 12, 2012, 02:36:20 AM »
Yes but this had nothing to do with the war - they wanted that huge and richly furnished Palace.... you don't get that for nothing...
And of course the Hohenzollern had more money - they were the leading family of Germany with a much vaster country and income...
Eric - please look at a map. How can u compare these states?!

The real "breakdown" took place when her son died in 1873 - before Alice suffered a lot due to the war because she was also pregnant with Pcss Irene and was in fear for her husband's life.
Noel writes that it was more or less psychological....

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Grand Duke Ludwig IV
« on: September 11, 2012, 03:11:51 PM »
Prince and Princess Karl lived a very secluded life - the Princess thought it inappropriate to take on her duties at her age. So Alice was indeed very much the First Lady.
The money coming from her dowry was in fact used to errect the Neues Palais but they moved in in march 1866 - month before the war would break out. Alice's private money had nothing at all to do with the war payments from Hesse to the Prussians........
Where do you get all these information??
Of course she had to fight for some alterations... but this has always been the case in all classes and circumstances.
Prince Albert was thought a mad man when trying to errect a Palace of glass for the Gret Exhibition... hardly to believe because he lived in the not so much backwater London! :)

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