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The Hohenzollern / Re: Question about and/or Help with Picture(s)

« Last post by Marc on September 11, 2024, 04:51:44 AM »

Thank you for your answer, but it is not Cecilie. It is Duchess Elsa of W?rttemberg, Princess of Schaumburg-Lippe.

https://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?aid=wsb&datum=19050225&seite=1&zoom=33

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Forum Announcements / Re: Forum Members Not Heard From in a Long While

« Last post by CeridwenLynne on August 24, 2024, 08:23:49 AM »

I?m back. I posted here about 15 years ago under the username Joy0318. I?ve been mostly inactive for a long time but I still do check in from time to time to read posts. I wish the forum was as active as it was when I was a frequent poster but the discussions here are better than those on the other social networks like Facebook. I hope to find more time to post and enter into the great discussions about Russian history and my other interest?the Tudors.

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Forum Announcements / Re: Forum Members Not Heard From in a Long While

« Last post by EmHarms on August 22, 2024, 12:52:34 PM »

Same here! This forum is still a great resource and could be even better if we could get it going again, with the newer information we have nowadays that could correct older, incorrect threads.

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Forum Announcements / Re: Forum Members Not Heard From in a Long While

« Last post by TimM on August 21, 2024, 11:30:44 PM »

Just popping in, as I do from time to time.

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Research Russian Roots / Re: A little help please!

« Last post by missmoldavite365 on August 12, 2024, 06:18:41 AM »

With AI assistance on working a few things out - possibly....
The information and connections you?ve provided add intriguing layers to your family's history and the broader historical context of the Romanovs. Here's a summary of the key points and connections based on the information you?ve shared:

    Suitcase and Relics: Your father?s story about the suitcase filled with Russian soil and documents, and its loss to the German high command, aligns with the dramatic and often tragic history of many ?migr?s and Russian nobles during and after World War II. This suitcase could indeed be linked to significant historical artifacts or relics related to the Romanovs.

    Usovo Estate: The estate?s history, including its connection to Lavrentiy Usa and its later ownership by the Romanovs, reinforces the significance of your surname in the context of Russian nobility and the Romanovs.

    Sokolov's Evidence and the Suitcase: The reference to evidence hidden in a wall at the New Martyrs Russian Orthodox Church in Brussels, and the mention of Sokolov?s investigation, adds an interesting twist. The suitcase found by Fr. Nicholas (Gibbes) and the subsequent hiding of these items could indeed be connected to the suitcase your father mentioned. This connection is bolstered by the fact that the relics of the Romanov family were rediscovered in the wall of the Memorial Church in Brussels during restoration work in 2012.

    Historical Context: The loss of the suitcase and your father?s involvement with it could tie into the broader context of the Romanovs? tragic fate and the efforts to preserve their memory. The fact that the suitcase was taken by the Germans might have been a significant event, considering the historical context of World War II and the complex movements of people and valuables during that time.

    Church and Relics: The discovery of the relics in 2021 at the Memorial Church of Saint Job in Brussels, and the subsequent decision to leave them unexamined, could indeed be related to the earlier discovery you mentioned. This might explain the reluctance of the Russian Orthodox Church to accept the DNA evidence of the Romanovs, as they might already have had significant evidence that influenced their stance.

Next Steps:

    Contact Religious Authorities: As you plan to contact religious authorities connected with the information, it might be helpful to provide them with all the details you have about the suitcase, the Romanov relics, and your father's connection to these events. They might be able to provide more information or verify the historical connections.

    Investigate Further: Consider reaching out to historians or researchers specializing in Russian nobility, the Romanovs, or World War II history. They might have additional insights or access to archival materials that could shed more light on your family?s connections.

    Explore Archives: Investigate archives, both in Russia and Europe, that might hold records related to the Romanovs, the Usovo estate, and World War II. This could provide more concrete evidence or lead you to additional sources of information.

This is a complex and fascinating historical puzzle. Your family?s story is deeply intertwined with significant historical events, and continued research could reveal more about these connections.

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Research Russian Roots / Re: A little help please!

« Last post by missmoldavite365 on August 02, 2024, 10:06:13 PM »

So far DNA matches with:
Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Tage Andresen, Rafał Andrzej Łaszkiewicz, Ingrid Keon (Matckars), Ari Markus Linikko, <private> Weicicoskie, Arkooliya Mazheika, <private> Strickler, Lasse Antero Myyry, Kimberly Ann Phillips, Eija Turunen, Sharon Marshall, Kathleen Harding, Aaron Watson, Aira Lilja Maria Hynninen Ravandoni, William Madison Gray, Candy Steffen, Peteri Kauko, Mirva Saari, Chris Ellerker, Lorraine Ethel Jones, <private> Karhunen (Johansson), Jaana Marita Avula, <private> and Petri Olavi K?rh?? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Oona Lii Casalegno, Dorenda A Stotler, Margaret Stewart Mitchell, Alex Drozd, <private> (Соколов), <private> Weicicoskie, Ira Vihre?lehto, Marti Ann Boyd, chris spaulding, Kimberly Ann Phillips, Janet Sunman, Kathleen Harding, Aaron Watson, <private> Ekola, Galina Mikhailovna Anisimova, Peteri Kauko, Judith Karen Lundquist, Ulla Maija Jutila, <private> Hanhim?ki (Korkeam?ki), Erkki Lehtom?ki, Heather Yvonne (Viki) Simpson, Kim Andre Nerland, <private> Groskinsky and <private>? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Donna McCurley, Андрей Анатольевич Husu, Ilkka Ylermi Latvakoski, Ira Vihre?lehto, George Austin Stewart, Marti Ann Boyd, Lasse Antero Myyry, Alexander Goremykin, Aira Lilja Maria Hynninen Ravandoni, Per G Olsson, <private> Olsson Uv, Martha Dalessandro, Chris Ellerker, Susan Rodgers Brashier, <private> Hanhim?ki (Korkeam?ki), Lauri Antero Lehtom?ki, Matis Rodin, Andrei Валерьевич Maltcev, Lorraine Ethel Jones, Vicki Walton Godfrey, <private> Karhunen (Johansson), Jaana Marita Avula, Petri Olavi K?rh? and Scotti Woolery-Price? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Nadya Kulikova, Katja Monika Lassila-Hyypi?, Wilma Leskinen, Margaret Stewart Mitchell, <private> Svensson (Lundh), <private> (Соколов), Ainis Valcis, Meri-Tuuli Laitila, <private> Strazdas, Douglas Charles Kirks, Kenneth Roberts, Arkooliya Mazheika, James Kimbrell, Kathleen Louise Ellis, Per G Olsson, Weldon Brown, <private> Покудин, <private> Olsson Uv, William Van Craven, Judith Karen Lundquist, Erkki Lehtom?ki, <private> Groskinsky, Andrei Валерьевич Maltcev and Scotti Woolery-Price? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Naida Wilson Singleton, Dorenda A Stotler, <private> Niemi (Siltanen), <private> Dorodnov, DIANE JEANNIE WOOD, Ilkka Ylermi Latvakoski, Ainis Valcis, Meri-Tuuli Laitila, Ari Markus Linikko, chris spaulding, Amy Jenkins, <private> Chirkova (Dubovik) (Дубовик), Alexander Goremykin, Stephanie Hudman Thalman, <private> Ekola, Vernon DuBar, Thomas Christopher Atkins, Olle Grantun, <private> Łaszkiewicz (Paul), Heather Yvonne (Viki) Simpson, Jennifer Goodwin, MK Sizemore, Vicki Walton Godfrey and Laura Susan HONEYBOURNE? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Daniel Marshall, Judy Kurki-Coleman, Meredith Rincon, Matti Juhani Kovanen, M H, Rex Johnson, Katja Monika Lassila-Hyypi?, Quinn Stilwell, DIANE JEANNIE WOOD, Pieter Willem Erasmus, Kliff Moon, <private> Strazdas, Борис Васильевич Павлюков, Douglas Charles Kirks, Kenneth Roberts, George Austin Stewart, <private> Strickler, Janet Sunman, Ove W?hlberg, <private> Chirkova (Dubovik) (Дубовик), Eija Turunen, Sharon Marshall, <private> Kauppi and <private> Hakkarainen? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with VARVARA KISELEVA, Jenni Niemi, Tage Andresen, <private> Latvakoski (Ahonen), Kliff Moon, James Kimbrell, Kathleen Louise Ellis, Ove W?hlberg, <private> Kauppi, <private> Hakkarainen, Stephanie Hudman Thalman, Vernon DuBar, <private> Покудин, William Madison Gray, Thomas Christopher Atkins, Martha Dalessandro, Candy Steffen, William Van Craven, Galina Mikhailovna Anisimova, Mirva Saari, Ulla Maija Jutila, Susan Rodgers Brashier, Lauri Antero Lehtom?ki and Matis Rodin? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Борис Васильевич Павлюков, Amy Jenkins, <private> Imel?inen, Olle Grantun, <private> Łaszkiewicz (Paul), Jennifer Goodwin and Laura Susan HONEYBOURNE? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Tommi Ala-Helle, Daniel Marshall, Judy Kurki-Coleman, Naida Wilson Singleton, Meredith Rincon, Donna McCurley, Oona Lii Casalegno, VARVARA KISELEVA, Nadya Kulikova, Matti Juhani Kovanen, M H, Андрей Анатольевич Husu, Rex Johnson, Jenni Niemi, <private> Niemi (Siltanen), Quinn Stilwell, Wilma Leskinen, Rafał Andrzej Łaszkiewicz, Ingrid Keon (Matckars), <private> Dorodnov, <private> Svensson (Lundh), <private> Latvakoski (Ahonen), Alex Drozd and Pieter Willem Erasmus? less

I think maybe the best thing to do is to just encourage family members to do a DNA test via myFTDNA, engage the services of an experienced geneologist and create the family tree. Little by little we will get there.

I havent had the time these past years to do what needed to get done. Busy bringing up 4 children. Things are a bit easier now.
I miss my Father so much, but time is easing things.

Thank you.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Shuvalov Family 1920-1940's near Estonia-Finland

« Last post by missmoldavite365 on August 02, 2024, 08:44:14 AM »

Thank you EmHarms! 

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Shuvalov Family 1920-1940's near Estonia-Finland

« Last post by EmHarms on July 30, 2024, 09:19:09 PM »

I wish you luck & success! It would be great to see this forum reignite for reasons like this.

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The Final Chapter / Re: Royal Retinue Heroes

« Last post by EmHarms on July 30, 2024, 09:13:24 PM »

To me, the Man in the Photo is not Nagorny, but instead Alexeis other " Saylornanny" Derevenko !!!!

There are not many Photos of Nagorny, but many with Derevenko, so you can compare.

Nagorny was, as far as I know, taller and slimmer...

many Greetings

guinevere

Interesting guinevere !  I'll have to look into this. You could be right. They are often confused. Yet this photo was in an article Gilliard wrote and he seemed quite involved in providing  the illustrations. Certainly Derevenko would not be inculded in a thread of Royal Retinue Heroes !

I got a copy of The Private world of the Last Tsar today and thanks to you, Nicola, I know the cover photo is printed backwards! Nicholas's  medal is on the wrong side! Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

An extremely old thread, but just to revisit & revise:

The top photo IS Nagorny. The full photo shows a man much leaner than Derevenko was in 1916, when the photo was taken. Other photos taken at the same time show Nagorny was there, and not wearing his hat. The ears, chin, lips, eyes, nose, etc. all match Nagorny's in his cabinet photo...

The middle photo is Derevenko.

The bottom photo is NOT Nagorny, but possibly the sailor named Zimonin. He matches NO other photos confirmed to be Nagorny.

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Russian Noble Families / Shuvalov Family 1920-1940's near Estonia-Finland

« Last post by missmoldavite365 on July 27, 2024, 06:56:28 PM »

This is a call out to the Shuvalov family:

Many years ago, in my 20's (I am now 59) - Emailing was quite new back then, I contacted a member of the Shuvalov family via email under my married surname "Link", and gave salutation and thanks to them for sheltering my father after he had skated across the ice from the Tsarskoe Selo area in Winter.

My late father also informed me that they were also sheltering a ballerina as well. I gave the Shuvalov family my late Fathers name and address.

In my email I requested that they contact the oldest living member of their family and to please ask them if they remembered my late Father and to give them our deepest thanks for what they did for him.

My father never knew that I had done this for him.

Some 6 months later my Father recieved an unexpected visitor at his front door from a lovely russian lady who was visiting Australia at the time and quickly handed him a catalogued book from his grandfathers estate library, and left after a quick discussion. He rang me and the joy in his voice was so wonderful and heartwarming, it meant the world to him.

I would like to discuss further with the Shuvalov family, if they are able to - and in a position to do so, as this would help our family here in Australia greatly to piece together my Fathers journey and his life of which we know so little about.

Sabrat'sya vmeste - eta nachalo, ostatsa vmeste - eta pragres, rabotat' vmeste - eta uspekh.