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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2004, 08:30:23 PM »
I think Alexander III was still alive just before Nicky and Alix got married. I'm not sure, but I don't think he approved of the marriage between them....just as Marie Feodorovna didn't.
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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2004, 09:47:58 PM »
Yes, Alexander Alexandrovich did meet Alexandra Fyodorovna and approve the marriage. She made a rushed trip from Darmstadt to the Crimea, as Alexander Alexandrovich was dying.

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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2004, 11:44:57 PM »
When Alexandra arrived at Livadia, Alexander III despite the misery of his illness attempted to dress in full uniform in order to receive her. Such was the Emperor's grand gesture to show full respect to his future daughter-in-law.


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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2004, 06:20:31 AM »
Imagine that Nicolas and Alexandra married and Alexander had survived for 5 more years (miracle). What would be different?

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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2005, 07:24:40 AM »
Hey!
I for one, do not agree with the comparisions with Diana. Nicky and Alex loved each other. A completely different scenario indeed.
Charles was FORCED to marry. And don't knock him or Diana or Alex it's not right, nor is it right to JUDGE another. Lest ye yourself be judged!

I feel quite peeved about it. I better go for a walk!.
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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2005, 09:59:45 AM »
The comparrison is offensive and as shortsightded as Alexandra was, IMO.
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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2005, 12:58:23 PM »
Alix was, what psychotherapists would call today "controlling" and "a co-dependent"  ;)  ;D

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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2005, 01:47:10 PM »
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For I must confess that I get a bit annoyed sometimes when I get to read the same negative judgements about the Romanovs again and again on this forum. Those judgments are often written down with a certainty that isn't fully justified in my opinion. All we have is written information from various sources. No matter how hard people have tried to write down their impressions of the IF and their relatives in a unbiased way, their impressions are just their impressions and will be biased inevitably. And though we may have information from a large number of sources, all this information together can never replace personal encounters with the people involved. As we will never know them like we know our own relatives for instance, I'd rather not pass a final judgement on them.

And of course, this does not only apply to negative judgements but also to idolizing remarks. ;)




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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2005, 01:53:16 PM »
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Those judgments are often written down with a certainty that isn't fully justified in my opinion. All we have is written information from various sources. No matter how hard people have tried to write down their impressions of the IF and their relatives in a unbiased way, their impressions are just their impressions and will be biased inevitably. And though we may have information from a large number of sources, all this information together can never replace personal encounters with the people involved. As we will never know them like we know our own relatives for instance, I'd rather not pass a final judgement on them.
 
 Yes,  this is exactly what I have often said myself. We can only speculate what these people were like based on what others have written about them, and based on their own letters and diaries, which are also subjective. But we will never know anything about them because we will never meet them and know them personally.

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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2005, 01:15:44 PM »
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For I must confess that I get a bit annoyed sometimes when I get to read the same negative judgements about the Romanovs again and again on this forum.

And of course, this does not only apply to negative judgements but also to idolizing remarks. ;)


Well, I always thought the whole purpose of this site was to memorialize the last Tsar and his family, so I too was a bit surprised to read some of the vitriolic remarks about them.  

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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2005, 01:58:54 PM »
I think this website can be (and is) many things to many people. For some, it is a chance to memorialize the Imperial Family.  Others want to deconstruct the mythology that has grown up around them. Some of us want to voice our opinions, and most of us want to learn. I think all are valid, as long as we maintain a good level of (here's that word again!) civility.

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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2005, 02:31:14 PM »
I think most people on this forum are quite aware of the fact that their judgements cannot be "final". No judgement in history or any scholarship can, but that's the whole idea of it, to see that there are different perspectives. But I think it's not only natural and quite okay but even imperative that one should put forward his or her personal conclusions. Another person will then challenge that view. This is the scholarly game.

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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2005, 06:04:05 PM »
The thing with history is that it is unprovable, unlike some things in other disciplines that can be proven (physics, chemistry, etc.). There are no absolute truths in history as such, there are only theories based on evidence. We can speculate and come up with theories (aka "tentative" personal conslusions). Hence challenges are absolutely necessary, just like in any other discipline for that matter. Some people see challenges as a very negative thing, and possibly due to personal insecurities they take them as an insult to their intelligence.  But challenges are the basis of  learning, and everyone who wants to voice an opinion  publically must be prepared to be challenged and must be ready to defend his or her theory/opinion.  
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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2005, 10:03:48 AM »
      I have to disagree with the "Diana Paralels." Diana was a woman marrying the heir of a western constitutional Monarchy, not an autocratic state. Diana also had the atvantage of being familiar with the language and customs of the English, as she was English herself! (PS I was never a great fan of hers- dead or alive.) Alix did not have these options.
   Alix's negative atributes as a wife may be harder to pin down, as this is a highly charged topic -- What makes a good wife?  Is it Passion or Domestic skills?  Was she a shrew, a Stepford Wife, or a good companion? We are looking from a 21st century perspective at a woman who was proud of her Victorian heritage and much of this judgement can seem purely subjective.
   Alix had certain emotional issues, which were only exaserbated by her position as Empress. This may have made her a poor Empress, but it's difficult to say that this made her a bad wife.

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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2005, 02:06:51 PM »
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This doesn't mean we have to idolise them or curb unsavoury comments, even if they may be true.


I think this site definitely idolizes them.  Most definitely.  That's not to say I don't like the site or that it doesn't contain a wealth of information.  I enjoy it.  It is what it is and that's it.  Aside from the discussion board, I don't think you are going to find too many comments alluding to A's negative attributes as a wife, mother, or Empress on this site.

It's one thing to make negative comments about A or N and back them up with some evidence.  But I'm just one of those who doesn't like seeing false statements left unchallenged.