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« Reply #510 on: February 03, 2009, 03:39:39 PM »
I'm reading Nicholas and Alexandra and she just comes across as being the root of a lot of problems. She doesn't listen to anybody when it comes to the good of the country or government. Everything is about her, how she feels, how she wants things, and who cares about anybody else. Yes she was a good mother and a good wife, but she was a bad empress. She wants people to run the government be people she likes and who like her and Rasputin, like who the heck cares if they can actually do the freakin job! I can't help but wonder if she wasn't the Empress if the whole revolution could have been avoided. I can honestly understand at the end of the March revolution why so many people hated her. This is back in March 1917, this has nothing to do with July 1918.

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« Reply #511 on: February 03, 2009, 07:27:57 PM »

Aloha all!

The more I read and learn about Alexandra, the more I feel for her.   In my opinion she was a truly good person at heart, loved her family and adopted country as well as adopted religion.  She had such good intentions that
seldom came to the forefront - her nursing during the war was one of her best moments as Tsarina and which was not really appreciated at the time I think.

So many tragic circumstances came into play in her life - including her own illnesses but most of all the illness of her son - that while she was certainly not a "perfect ruler" or "perfect person" - she was a good woman with a generous, true heart.

You have only to look at her face in the photo of her in her wheelchair during captivity in comparison to the fresh-faced beauty of 1896 to read what stress and illness can do to someone over the years.  Very hard to believe that she was only 46 at her death.

I don't believe the stereotype so often presented of her - it has been perpetuated since the Revolution.

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« Reply #512 on: February 04, 2009, 11:44:04 AM »
The problem is that Alix didn't really "love" the real "Russia" rather like her husband she was in "love" with a mythical medieval muscovy. There are also surviving letters and opinions from her own family (not just the Romanov family) who are pretty explicit in their view of Alix and her part in things as has already been mentioned.

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« Reply #513 on: February 04, 2009, 12:09:57 PM »
In responce to Selencia, I too have read "Nicholas and Alexandra" many times over the years and I have to disagree. It wasn't all about her as the portrait you describe. In fact I believe it was quite the opposite, she scarfice many, many times for her son and for the people of Russia. She even had a miscarriage because she was grieving for the death of her people. Also Alexander did not have that kind of power to pick officials to run the government. Also the revolution would still have taken it's course with or without Alexandra as Empress, they were many, many other factors as well.
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« Reply #514 on: February 05, 2009, 03:43:05 AM »
I read Alexandra say so many times about "God will save my dear Russia". It's so obvious she loves Russia so much.
She loved Germany but I think she felt so bad about her motherland's war on where she lives. If also she didn't love Russia, why did she help treating wounded Russian soldiers in WWI?

I don't take her behaviour as "snobbish" and "tsaritsa-like". I would love to tell she's a dear mother. She's so religious and Jesus brought her to Heaven because of her "unknown" good deeds. Those who were not close to the family would say she's so bad. When we're going to ask them why, they could not give rational answers.

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« Reply #515 on: February 05, 2009, 07:33:41 AM »
I agree! She consider herself "Little Mother Russia" of her people... I think her feelings on Germany lay-ed on her Cousin "Willy" and his actions more then anything else. Again this my opinion.

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« Reply #516 on: February 05, 2009, 07:36:04 PM »
In responce to Selencia, I too have read "Nicholas and Alexander" many times over the years and I have to disagree. It wasn't all about her as the portrait you describe. In fact I believe it was quite the opposite, she scarfice many, many times for her son and for the people of Russia. She even had a miscarriage because she was grieving for the death of her people. Also Alexander did not have that kind of power to pick officials to run the government. Also the revolution would still have taken it's course with or without Alexander as Empress, they were many, many other factors as well.

Well I completely disagree, having a miscarriage is horrible but that still doesn't change that I feel the hatred the Russians had for her was somewhat justified. The soldier who talked with her on the blanket got to see the real Alexandra but he was one of the few. If Alexandra had allowed others despite the select few in her little circle know the real her she wouldn't have been so hated. She as well as Nicholas refused to listen to the will of the people especially when it came to Rasputin. She allowed Rasputin to manipulate her into bringing down the careers of good men who did their jobs well and she put in people who liked Rasputin and that was there only qualification. Yes I undrerstand she was in desperate need of him for Alexei but I completely see those outside her circle's view that she and Rasputin were bringing Russia down.
If I didn't make it clear, Im really not sure if I did or didn't, I think if things had been done different or if there were different people in charge the revolution could have been prevented. Both Nicholas and Alexandra believed in the autocracy at all costs and because they were so seperated from the masses they held onto a dying idea. I'm not blaming the revolution on Alexandra, I am just wondering if someone who had more of an open mind could have allowed the changes that needed to happen to actually happen.

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« Reply #517 on: February 07, 2009, 03:19:28 AM »
Mr. Darcy way
Is this character from the "Pride and Prejudice" ? I've just watched that movie last Wednesday and it's so boring...(sorry, off-topic)
For me, she's not a snob. I agree with Selencia on shyness.
On my opinion, she doesn't want to say anything that could be bad for the Empire. She thinks it's better for her to shut up so to avoid any mistake. And the mistake now is that her behaviour is now translated as snobbish. It could have been better for her to sometimes interfere opportunely in stately affairs so that she would not earn such hatred from Russians then.

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« Reply #518 on: February 08, 2009, 01:47:19 PM »
I would not call her a snob. In this memory, does she sound like a snob to you?

I know that the Tsarina spent many thousands of her personal sums on the poor but she always tried to keep it secret. In the Crimea the Empress often donated money for the treatment of patients of the Crimean sanatoria and she asked me to help her in doing that.

The Empress was sincerely sorry for those who were sick and even cried when she thought of them. Many people whose health was restored thanks to her help blessed her name.

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« Reply #519 on: February 09, 2009, 03:07:44 AM »
She's really a so good person...
Jesus favors ones who don't let others know their good deeds. No wonder she's now in Heaven.
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« Reply #520 on: February 20, 2009, 01:55:52 AM »
Hello,

I'm currently doing a college project on Alexandra, and I was hoping you could clarify a few issues for me.

The project is a memoir, and I was hoping to mainly focus on her gradual separation from the people, but her constant love and adoration for her family.
I would really appreciate if people could answer these questions:

- What were the main reasons for her 'downfall', so far I have established: reserved/cold attitude in public, her dedication to her son, Rasputin, when she was given regency during WWI and did a poor job.

- Did she always hold the attitude that the Tsar/Tsarina were above the people and enthroned by God? Or did this attitude prevail as she gradually got into the role of Empress.

- Would you say she had a dislike for the debutantes and aristocrats of court?

Thanks, and if you can think of any further information that would be great!

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« Reply #521 on: February 20, 2009, 04:42:22 AM »
As for the last point: I don't think that she dislked the persons but she had a certain dislike of the superficialities of Russian courtlife and aristocrats which was extremely different from the european way in which she had been brought up.
Representation did not mean jewels fine gowns or luxurious receptions for her - she had no love for that - but getting in touch with people and what REALLY moved them. Of course this attitute was quite contrary with that of her mother in law and most of the other female family members. No surprise that there were certain differences between them

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« Reply #522 on: February 20, 2009, 07:43:23 AM »
I'm agree with Thomas Hesse.
I think that the motivations of her "downfall" was mostly her reserved attitude in public and Rasputin (Rasputin was also partly the cause of her errors during WWI).

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« Reply #523 on: February 20, 2009, 07:52:49 AM »
I must also add that I think that Alexandra was also very misunderstood, many negative things that were said about her were not true, but just rumors.

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« Reply #524 on: February 20, 2009, 06:20:27 PM »
I think that the issue of relationship between Alexandra and the court is really complex. it should be looked at from different angles. and both parties are to blame for the situation. we should remember that she was brought up in a small German court in Darmstadt where the grand ducal family led a simple life. There were cases when they could not afford a trip to some ceremonies to their foreign relatives and had to stay at home. There were other differences between the marvelous Russian Court and that in Darmstadt. So when Alix arrived to Russia ( as a betrothed of Niki) she was already a fully formed person (22 years old) that in turn meant that changing her views and attitudes towards basic things was virtually impossible. One had to be really flexible ( her mother-in-law Mariya Feodorovna easily adjusted herself to new conditions just because she was not so stubborn) to adjust herself to new conditions. We should remember that Alix was reluctant to change her views on any topic. Mosolov, one of the major members of court, wrote in his memories that till the end of her days Alix remained a German princess from the small German court. Robert K. Massie gave an example of Alix`s behavior at one of the balls. She disliked the fact that ladies wore dresses that disclosed their shoulders and breast and remarked that "we don`t wear such dresses in Darmstadt". she was trying to impose her own rules in the court that obviously did not win her any support from court members. Also, she seemed not to have understood that she was not a private person hence her likes and dislikes  shouldn't have governed her behavior. But court members, at least some of them, weren`t nice to her, either. It was because they knew about Mariya Feodorovna`s negative attitude towards her daughter-in-law.  Relationships between A and court were tolerable before the birth of the hemophiliac son but after the birth of Alexei the IF isolated itself from the other Romanovs and the court. AF was afraid that no one, who had not been in a similar situation, would have been able to feel for her. But more importantly, Alexei`s disease was a state secret. revealing this secret would mean endangering the dynasty. it meant that the throne would pass to the Vladimirovichi line because Misha, Niki`s brother was not married and had no children and, what is more, had no intention of marrying  a suitable European aristocrat. AF and her family started to lead a secluded life in Alexandrovski palace in Tsarskoe Selo. she was never fond of balls and other grand events but after 1904 she led a totally secluded life e.g. there took place fancy parties at the Zimniy palace in St.Petersburg but the last ball took place in 1903, a year before the birth of Alexei. No ball took place later.
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