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Re: Princess Diana - Part 2
« Reply #510 on: April 26, 2011, 12:27:53 AM »
Perhaps because they don't at all capture the vitally alive woman Diana actually was? 

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You mean to say what manipulative attention consuming woman she was.
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« Reply #511 on: April 26, 2011, 03:29:30 AM »
Funnily enough, I've been called upon to write a piece about royal brides, and being asked specifically to mention Diana. One of the points I'm making is that Diana became a deeply divisive figure and that I hope Kate Middleton will prove a uniting figure.

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« Reply #512 on: April 26, 2011, 08:28:00 AM »
I would say Diana's husband was and continues to be a more "deeply divisive" figure than his first wife ever was.  That's my opinion.  I believe the majority of people saw and understood why Diana behaved as she did even if they didn't approve of it.  I don't think they had or have the same understanding or forgiveness regarding Charles. :/

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« Reply #513 on: April 26, 2011, 09:58:40 AM »
'I would say Diana's husband was and continues to be a more "deeply divisive" figure than his first wife ever was.  That's my opinion.  I believe the majority of people saw and understood why Diana behaved as she did even if they didn't approve of it.  I don't think they had or have the same understanding or forgiveness regarding Charles. :/'

I disagree but will leave it there. I find it interesting that people make far more excuses for Diana's behaviour than Charles's, and forget all the work Charles has done for the Prince's Trust and the like.

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« Reply #514 on: April 26, 2011, 10:31:36 AM »
I'm feeling a tad more sympathy or Diana... She was not perfect - who is? - but she was the one who had to endure the hardships, she was young and naive when she married... She had her doubts, was persuaded to go on with it and in the end she could not deal with the royal enviroment... And the Royal Family did not understand that, let alone her husbad, as they were living by rules set up ages ago... Having a mistress was seen as 'correct', as it used to be in the upper classes up to probably halfway through the last century. Diana was the first to openly stand up to it and that is one of the reasons why she is admired. Ofcourse she was manipulative when it comes to the press, using them for her own goals and she could simply drop out a friend who had made the mistake of spreading a story about her, among others, but does all that matter when she in fact was one of the few Royals who emphasize on the need for help and who do not only see it as duty... I can only name a few, who openly made a plea to change things and not did charity out of duty, to me that is the difference.... Usually charity was done in  private, for the poor and suffering, all Royals did and do that... But look at Alexandra and her sister... They both did charity, but Ella sort of wen 'openly' by starting her convent and doing good works there, Alix trained as a nurse, organized Charity at Yalta and such, but she did not do it publicly - besides Yalta, which sort of was Public Charity. Had she done that she would probably been much more popular, but she never overcame her shyness. That is what Diana did. Also, one must remember that dying young often gives someone more 'following' because of the tragedy and sadness.

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« Reply #515 on: April 26, 2011, 10:50:00 AM »
What is often forgotten is that plenty of British royalties were heavily engaged in charitable work long before Diana came along. Look at Princess Marie Louise!

To me the best charitable work is done in private.

Diana certainly has a greater following because she died young and dramatically, but she was a figure of myth even before that.

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« Reply #516 on: April 26, 2011, 11:53:28 AM »
The big difference with Diana, however, is that she embraced subjects that were socially taboo at the time; AIDS and land mines [more poltically taboo, than socially, perhaps]. Anybody can unveil a plaque or plant a tree, she visited the field and exposed herself for "the causes" she  took on.

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« Reply #517 on: April 26, 2011, 01:20:19 PM »
I agree with what Robert said, let’s not forget during that time there were many misconceptions about AIDS like: AIDS can be spread through a simple contact with an HIV infected individual like shaking someone's hand. However, few celebrities at that time including Princess Diana were photographed touching and holding HIV patients, those photographs has helped removing stigma associated with AIDS.

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« Reply #518 on: April 26, 2011, 05:31:37 PM »
Exactly... Not only did she engage in Charity publicly, but she took some extreme causes on... Things that were not openly supported at the time, things that no one dared to 'touch' or even tried to understand. And, I don't even know why one would see "planting a tree" as charity. Yep, all good for the environment and such, but that is not going to make people support your cause. And Diana went out there, did things no one else would have dared to do in the hope that her charitable works would benefit from her patronage or involvement in it.

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« Reply #519 on: April 26, 2011, 09:48:29 PM »
Thank you Robert, I quite agree . Diana taking the hand of the aids patient cannot be forgotten and was a huge turning point...I well remember at the time even some  health professionals were refusing to treat Aids patients. She did much to change  that. 

The good news is the Royal Family is learning and letting a price marry the woman he loves from the start

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« Reply #520 on: April 27, 2011, 04:27:22 AM »
'I would say Diana's husband was and continues to be a more "deeply divisive" figure than his first wife ever was.  That's my opinion.  I believe the majority of people saw and understood why Diana behaved as she did even if they didn't approve of it.  I don't think they had or have the same understanding or forgiveness regarding Charles. :/'

I disagree but will leave it there. I find it interesting that people make far more excuses for Diana's behaviour than Charles's, and forget all the work Charles has done for the Prince's Trust and the like.

Ann

His work has been and is admirable, Ann, I do not take that away from him.  His behaviour within his first marriage was, however, appalling.  The two are separate issues.  You were the one who brought up the topic, incidentally.

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« Reply #521 on: April 27, 2011, 07:15:18 AM »
Charles married the wrong woman. I personally think that he tried to make the marriage work and only went back to Camilla when it was clearly in trouble. Let us remember that Diana also had affairs.

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« Reply #522 on: April 27, 2011, 03:19:35 PM »
Yes... That is why I said Diana was not a perfect woman. She was admirable for her charitable work, so is Charles, but Diana simply took on causes that were seen as dangerous and the fact that she was such a beautiful person, inside and out, got her that mythical status even within her lifetime(though I myself remember little, besides the landmines-issue and eventually her death and funeral). She was not the first Royal to engage so openly in public charity, nor will she be the last I am sure.... That is what made Diana so popular, that she went out there to show she cared.

However... Her married life was far from perfect, Charles obviously never loved Diana in the way he loves Camilla and even though he tried to make the marriage work he could not understand his wife, who was jealous the jealous wife of course, and simply went back to the one who understood him. Diana felt alone and scared, so she went looking for love, too, outside the marital bed. Eventually the marriage failed because the two of them were no match from the start and they were unable to understand each other.

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« Reply #523 on: April 27, 2011, 03:35:09 PM »
Charles married the wrong woman. I personally think that he tried to make the marriage work and only went back to Camilla when it was clearly in trouble. Let us remember that Diana also had affairs.

Ann

And it could just as easily be said that Diana married the wrong man.  It can't be denied there was another woman lurking in the background from the beginning of their marriage and I don't think it is clear to anyone when these two resumed their relationship or if indeed it ever stopped.  How can you make a marriage work if you're tied to someone else, either emotionally or physically?  As to Diana having affairs, the opinion is quite firm from those who knew her well that these would never have happened if she had had her husband's love, which was all she asked for.   

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« Reply #524 on: April 27, 2011, 06:21:33 PM »
Well, I wonder... Did Charles ever love Diana or was it all orchestrated by him, the Royal Family and possibly even Camilla... They wanted a shy young thing, so she would do what they wanted and be out of the way for Charles to go messing with Camilla. The romantic notion would be that Charles and Camilla had grown apart and he really loved Diana but I don't think he ever loved Diana the same way as he loved Camillla. He might have cared about Diana, but he too saw her as a means to get an heir and when Diana sensed it was too late to save her marriage, that Camilla was there from the beginning and would never go she did all she could for her own happiness and freedom...

To quote Charles: "whatever love means"..... That, in my opinion, shows clearly Camilla always was there and that Diana, however charming and beautiful she was, never would win Charles' affection because these were already meant for Camilla. The quote shows, that's what I think, Charles intended on having a wife and a mistress.