Photos of noble families!

[Vanya]

The photos of the Ignatiev family at #66 are of interest to me because I believe that my grandmother may have been a servant in their Kiev household. My understanding is that she was a kind of helper to the nyanya, and in fact went with the family when it traveled to the country for the summer. One photo at #66 shows the family's governess, the nyanya, and a maid as well as the family itself; do other photos exist of the family surrounded by its servants? I would be interested to see if my grandmother might be among them.

[ransburg-weber]

We need your help to find some pictures of the family!
Now not in good health  - Maria Larische - was born in 1919 Hungary. She wants a picture of her mother Princess Olga Petrovic Orlova born about 1879. Princess Olga was a great beauty and often photographed. At age 19 years her mother the Princess married her father Count Heinrich Larische von Moennich in St Petersburg Russia in 1998. Her mother and her father had assisted many family members who left Russia – including those who went to Malta from the Crimea. Because of this political involvement Mother and Father were executed in the family garden in Buda-Pest Hungary Spring 1945.  This home was given to the American government in exchange for a path to US citizenship. Unfortunately we do not have any family pictures or personal items because of the situation. Marie says whatever of value she had was sold on her escape to the US because she needed money for herself and young son. 

When in Russian in June we visited the Russian Art Museum in St Petersburg and brought her a copy of Valentine Serov’s of Princess Olga, painted in 1911. But Maria says this painting with the big black hat is not of her mother- but of a cousin by marriage - Olga Konstantinova Orlova, married to Vladimir Orlov  - but not born - an Orlov.  Other relatives - Maria’s father’s uncle George had been married to the infamous Baroness Marie Wilhelm-Mendel (Larische) but after five children and 19 years they divorced before her mother Olga and father Heinrich were married in 1998.

Please -can anyone lead us to an archive of family pictures. Time-Life Magazine made some of the Russian Aristocracy at one time but I have not located them. There were also some family portraits in the Gallery of the Peter and Paul Fortress in 2003 before the fire.

[ashdean]

We need your help to find some pictures of the family!
Now not in good health  - Maria Larische - was born in 1919 Hungary. She wants a picture of her mother Princess Olga Petrovic Orlova born about 1879. Princess Olga was a great beauty and often photographed. At age 19 years her mother the Princess married her father Count Heinrich Larische von Moennich in St Petersburg Russia in 1998. Her mother and her father had assisted many family members who left Russia – including those who went to Malta from the Crimea. Because of this political involvement Mother and Father were executed in the family garden in Buda-Pest Hungary Spring 1945.  This home was given to the American government in exchange for a path to US citizenship. Unfortunately we do not have any family pictures or personal items because of the situation. Marie says whatever of value she had was sold on her escape to the US because she needed money for herself and young son. 

When in Russian in June we visited the Russian Art Museum in St Petersburg and brought her a copy of Valentine Serov’s of Princess Olga, painted in 1911. But Maria says this painting with the big black hat is not of her mother- but of a cousin by marriage - Olga Konstantinova Orlova, married to Vladimir Orlov  - but not born - an Orlov.  Other relatives - Maria’s father’s uncle George had been married to the infamous Baroness Marie Wilhelm-Mendel (Larische) but after five children and 19 years they divorced before her mother Olga and father Heinrich were married in 1998.

Please -can anyone lead us to an archive of family pictures. Time-Life Magazine made some of the Russian Aristocracy at one time but I have not located them. There were also some family portraits in the Gallery of the Peter and Paul Fortress in 2003 before the fire.

Princess Olga Konstantinovna Orlova who Serov painted and who left Russia in the entourage of the Dowager Empress (with her son the last Prince Orlov and his family) having divorced her husband Prince Vladimir in 1917 was by birth a Princess Belosselsky-Belozersky.Prince Vladimir had only one brother Prince Nicholas who died in Paris in 1916 I believe he was unmarried and childless.There other descendants of the 5 Orlov brothers (the most famous of who was Gregory lover of  Catherine the Great) but they were Counts not Princes. Jacques Ferrand lists them in one of his many geneological books.

[Nadya_Arapov]

The photos of the Ignatiev family at #66 are of interest to me because I believe that my grandmother may have been a servant in their Kiev household. My understanding is that she was a kind of helper to the nyanya, and in fact went with the family when it traveled to the country for the summer. One photo at #66 shows the family's governess, the nyanya, and a maid as well as the family itself; do other photos exist of the family surrounded by its servants? I would be interested to see if my grandmother might be among them.

The photos may exist, Vanya, but I don't have any others of the Ignatievs in my possession. Sorry I couldn't be of assistance.

[Elleonor]

I know you haven't posted in the forum in quite a while Nadya, so I'm hoping you are still here.  You posted some images of Peter Lanskoy and Natalia Goncharova in the thread in an earlier page, but unfortunately these are no longer viewable.  Is there any possibility you could repost these please?  I would very much like to see them.  If you have any others of Natalia's family, Peter Lanskoy or even Pushkin's family I would very much like to see these too.

Elleonor

[Kalafrana]

To go back a bit, Paul Pavlovich Rodzianko was one of the leading riders of his generation, and competed in showjumping events Britain before WW1. He was a military attache in London at the time of the Revolution, and, finding himself jobless from November 1917, joined the British Army as a Private. However, Sir Alfred Knox pulled strings on his behalf and Rodzianko was soon made a Colonel and despatched to Ekaterinburg, where he was involved in the Sokolov investigation.

Late on, he became coach to the extremely successful Irish showjumping team of the 1930s - presumably this was when he married Anita Leslie. The marriage was not a success - possibly because Rodzianko's main priority was horses, and he was anyway over 30 years older than she was.

Ann

[ashdean]

To go back a bit, Paul Pavlovich Rodzianko was one of the leading riders of his generation, and competed in showjumping events Britain before WW1. He was a military attache in London at the time of the Revolution, and, finding himself jobless from November 1917, joined the British Army as a Private. However, Sir Alfred Knox pulled strings on his behalf and Rodzianko was soon made a Colonel and despatched to Ekaterinburg, where he was involved in the Sokolov investigation.

Late on, he became coach to the extremely successful Irish showjumping team of the 1930s - presumably this was when he married Anita Leslie. The marriage was not a success - possibly because Rodzianko's main priority was horses, and he was anyway over 30 years older than she was.

Ann

Paul's memoirs "Tattered Banners" are very interesting.

[Kalafrana]

'Paul's memoirs "Tattered Banners" are very interesting.'

Indeed. I read them when I was at school, but haven't seen a copy since.

Ann

[ashdean]

'Paul's memoirs "Tattered Banners" are very interesting.'

Indeed. I read them when I was at school, but haven't seen a copy since.

Ann

My copy came from the Boston Spa library.

[Gorseheart]

Prince M. I. Koslovskij with his family

Who is that young boy behind him?

[ashanti01]

Countess Elizabeth Andreievna Schouvalov 1845-1942

[ashdean]

Countess Elizabeth Andreievna Schouvalov 1845-1942

I think this lady (by marriage Countess Ilarion Vorontsov- Dashkov and a formidable grande dame) actually died in 1924

[ashanti01]

Ashdean you are correct she did in die in 1924.

[bednayaliza]

Karamishev family 1910s



Vladimir Karamishev (his destiny after he  emigrated is unknovn




Georgi Karamishev  (killed in soviet prison in 1937)




Nina Karamisheva  (lived in Petersberg , died in 1984)

[bednayaliza]

Olga, Boris and Eugenia Vassiltchikov