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Offline Nathan_Davis

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Remains of Heir have been found and Identified
« on: August 23, 2007, 06:01:43 PM »
This just in 2 hours ago from the Associated Press:

"MOSCOW - The remains of the last czar's hemophiliac son and heir to the Russian throne, missing since the royal family was gunned down nine decades ago by Bolsheviks in a basement room, may have been found, an archaeologist said Thursday.

"Bones were found in the remnants of a bonfire near Yekaterinburg, the city where Czar Nicholas II and his wife and children were held prisoner and then shot in 1918. A top local archaeologist said the bones belong to a boy and a young woman roughly the ages of the czar's son, Alexei, and a daughter; either Maria or Anastasia.

"If confirmed, the finding would solve a persistent mystery about the doomed family, which fell victim to the violent revolution that ushered in more than 70 years of Communist rule.  

"The find was reported by Sergei Pogorelov, deputy head of the archaeological research department at a regional center for the preservation of historical and cultural monuments in Yekaterinburg.

The spot where the remains were found this summer appears to correspond to a site described in writing by Yakov Yurovsky, the leader of the family's killers, Pogorelov said on NTV television.

"An anthropologist has determined that the bones belong to two young individuals, a young male apparently aged roughly 10-13 and another, a young woman about 18-23," he told NTV.

"Historians say Communist guards lined up and shot Nicholas, his wife, Alexandra, their five children and servants in a small basement room in a nobleman's house in Yekaterinburg. The bodies were loaded in a truck and disposed of first in a mine shaft, according to most accounts.

"Parts of the royal remains were exhumed in 1991 and reburied in the Imperial-era capital, St. Petersburg, in 1998. Those of Alexei and of one of his sisters, either Maria or Anastasia, have remained missing."


If this report is accurate, it means that (finally) we may be near closure on this heartbreaking tragedy.

Regards to all,

Nathan
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Re: Remains of Heir may have been found.
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2007, 06:54:30 PM »
I just read this and rushed to the forum to see what everyone else had to say. It's a momentous occasion and I too hope it brings us closer to closure on the tragic event nearly 100 years ago.
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Re: Remains of Heir may have been found.
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2007, 07:17:22 PM »
I am so excited!

You know it's big when it hits the front page of Yahoo!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070823/ap_on_re_eu/russia_czar_s_son

and even Pravda is reporting it

http://english.pravda.ru/news/russia/24-08-2007/96318-russian_heir-0

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Re: Remains of Heir may have been found.
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2007, 08:07:13 PM »
Oooh, I hope they'll be able to tell if it's Maria or Anastasia, if it is them at all. I never really believed Anna Anderson was Anastasia, but I admit, there was always a tiny bit of wonder whenever I saw her picture.

Besides that, Aleksey and Anastasia or Maria really do deserve to be put to rest after all these years.

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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2007, 08:14:05 PM »
. . . I too hope it brings us closer to closure on the tragic event nearly 100 years ago.

A nice hope, but be ready to have it dashed.

There will be forensic examinations which we be contested on every ground imaginable.  The bones were smuggled onto the site.  They are really the bones of cows with freak deformities that make them look human.  They might be the Romanov bones, but they were so mishandled in excavation that the truth will never be known.  The archaelogists were paid off to make their claims by someone from the Romanov family.  No, from the British royal family.  No, wait.  From the KGB.

There will be DNA tests that might confirm the find.  But it won't matter.  The DNA will have been switched.  The test samples will have been contaminated.  The people conducting the test will be poorly trained, sloppy, drunk, or worse.  The DNA came from a bear whose DNA, by freak accident and in conjunction with the flawed testing procedures, happened to appear to match the Romanovs.  The testers were paid off to make their claims by someone from the Romanov family.  No, from the British royal family.  No, wait.  From the KGB.

Nothing will ever be resolved in some quarters.  Too many people have lost the dividing lines between their own psyches and their fantasies about the Romanovs and harbor too deep-seated a psychological need to believe that some of that family lived into our time and that their descendents still walk among us.

This is just the beginning of a new cycle of this interminable debate . . . . and I'm bored already.



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Re: Remains of Heir may have been found.
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2007, 08:17:17 PM »
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The DNA came from a bear whose DNA, by freak accident and in conjunction with the flawed testing procedures, happened to appear to match the Romanovs.

That one made me laugh.  :D But really, I wouldn't be surprised. Why can't people just accept the truth? If it is them, nothing can change that. If it isn't them, nothing can change that, either.

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Re: Remains of Heir may have been found.
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2007, 08:26:23 PM »
How very interesting. Bring on the DNA tests!

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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2007, 08:27:29 PM »
Does anyone know yet where actually these remains were found?  I mean in relation to where the rest of the family was discovered.  Or is it such recent news that there's no information at all other than this initial news release?

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Re: Remains of Heir may have been found.
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2007, 08:39:51 PM »
Good point, POMAHOB2!

This is very exciting news! Let us hope it is Aleksei and his sister! Bring on the DNA tests, and if it's them, we will finally know what happened...   :)

I wonder what they will do with their remains...St-Petersburg? Yekaterinburg?

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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2007, 08:46:30 PM »
Does anyone know yet where actually these remains were found?  I mean in relation to where the rest of the family was discovered.  Or is it such recent news that there's no information at all other than this initial news release?

The story says they were in a burned area exactly where Yurovsky said they were.

The spot where the remains were found this summer appears to correspond to a site described by Yakov Yurovsky, the leader of the family's killers, said Sergei Pogorelov, deputy head of the archaeological research department at a regional center for the preservation of historical and cultural monuments in Yekaterinburg.

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Re: Remains of Heir may have been found.
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2007, 08:51:43 PM »
Yes this is very exciting news. Bring on the DNA tests!

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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2007, 09:01:32 PM »
"A top local archaeologist said the bones belong to a boy and a young woman roughly the ages of the czar's son, Alexei, and a daughter; either Maria or Anastasia."

I don't know a lot about DNA testing.  If these remains are them, will they be able to tell if it is Anastasia or Marie?
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Re: Remains of Heir may have been found.
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2007, 09:04:35 PM »
Well,I just hope this time its really him. He deserves it and rest in peace, with his family.

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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2007, 09:13:35 PM »
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I don't know a lot about DNA testing.  If these remains are them, will they be able to tell if it is Anastasia or Marie?

Not from DNA testing, since they were sisters their mtDNA would be the same. But if these bodies match the others we can know for sure we have all the kids. Then it will be up to the forensic scientists to study the skulls and see of they can determine which girl was Anastasia.

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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2007, 09:15:00 PM »
. . . I too hope it brings us closer to closure on the tragic event nearly 100 years ago.

A nice hope, but be ready to have it dashed.

There will be forensic examinations which we be contested on every ground imaginable.  The bones were smuggled onto the site.  They are really the bones of cows with freak deformities that make them look human.  They might be the Romanov bones, but they were so mishandled in excavation that the truth will never be known.  The archaelogists were paid off to make their claims by someone from the Romanov family.  No, from the British royal family.  No, wait.  From the KGB.

There will be DNA tests that might confirm the find.  But it won't matter.  The DNA will have been switched.  The test samples will have been contaminated.  The people conducting the test will be poorly trained, sloppy, drunk, or worse.  The DNA came from a bear whose DNA, by freak accident and in conjunction with the flawed testing procedures, happened to appear to match the Romanovs.  The testers were paid off to make their claims by someone from the Romanov family.  No, from the British royal family.  No, wait.  From the KGB.

Nothing will ever be resolved in some quarters.  Too many people have lost the dividing lines between their own psyches and their fantasies about the Romanovs and harbor too deep-seated a psychological need to believe that some of that family lived into our time and that their descendents still walk among us.

This is just the beginning of a new cycle of this interminable debate . . . . and I'm bored already.




Of course I'm thinking and expecting the same thing but I doubt they'll be as creative as you are. Totally hilarious! I wonder which one of those they'll chose? And don't forget Putin, something has to be his fault! ;)