Author Topic: Remains of Heir have been found and Identified  (Read 107342 times)

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dmitri

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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2007, 09:18:11 PM »
Yes it is such exciting news! There are all sorts of different tests and devices that can be used to build up ''flesh'' on skulls to give an idea of what the deceased looked like. I can remember seeing this done using the traditional process and also the same process done through computer simulation. It's great to think the whole family can be together if these new bones are accurate. I found it interesting to note that the article stated that the remains of sulphuric acid containers, nails and bullets had been found in the grave. I wonder how many other victims murdered in the area were buried with sulphuric acid containers? I doubt the Russians would have released any of this news without having already conducted extensive investigations. It is all very fascinating.  

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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2007, 09:18:37 PM »
http://news.ntv.ru/115590/
This is the link to therussian television NTV  where the talk about it its in Russian.

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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2007, 09:19:49 PM »
Annie, my dear- why would this be Putin's fault?

Annie

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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2007, 09:25:38 PM »
Annie, my dear- why would this be Putin's fault?

Why would it be the Queen's? I'm just 'grasping at straws'. They'll have to say somebody rigged it, Putin is just as good a suspect as any for them don't you think? Ask the conspiracy theorists, I'm sure they'll come up with something if this DNA matches.

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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2007, 09:27:21 PM »
http://news.ntv.ru/115590/
This is the link to therussian television NTV  where the talk about it its in Russian.

That sure sounded like a lot of interesting info. Can someone here who knows Russian give us an idea what they said?

dmitri

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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2007, 09:49:03 PM »
Yes it sure sounds like they are on to something certain.

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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2007, 09:58:40 PM »
http://news.ntv.ru/115590/
This is the link to therussian television NTV  where the talk about it its in Russian.

thanks so much :) ohh so exciting ahh!
i can't wait!

well here is what the translator said


Sensational news is alien today from Ekaterinburg. Local archaeologists, possibly, found the burial of tsarevich Aleksey and great princess Maria - children of the last Russian emperor of Nikolai BY THE II. Their fate, until now, is wrapped by mystical secret.
The remains of two people with the tracks of numerous injuries they revealed during the excavations, which conducted in the region of old [Koptyakovskoy] road. This place is indicated in the document, written from the words of Yakov [Yurovskogo], who led the shooting of tsarist family on July 17, 1918.
It followed from the story that nine killed were doused by sulfuric acid and buried in road in [Porosenkovom] ravine, whereas the remains of Aleksey and one of the princesses they were burnt and buried near.
Sergey Pogorelov, [zamnachalnika] of the division of the anthropological studies [NPTS] on protection and use of monuments of history and culture of Sverdlovsk region: “We revealed dual [kostrovishche], which in principle converges with the description of [kostrovishcha] in [Yurovskogo], in [Sukhorukova]. They revealed respectively ceramics, which, judging by everything, is analogous that that it was found in the basic burial and revealed in 1991.

i'll do the other half later :)

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Re: Remains of Heir may have been found.
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2007, 10:02:31 PM »
I've never been this excited over something on the news before! If it isn't them, it'll be a big letdown.  :'(

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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2007, 10:02:44 PM »
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I don't know a lot about DNA testing.  If these remains are them, will they be able to tell if it is Anastasia or Marie?

Not from DNA testing, since they were sisters their mtDNA would be the same. But if these bodies match the others we can know for sure we have all the kids. Then it will be up to the forensic scientists to study the skulls and see of they can determine which girl was Anastasia.
That's not completely true I think. Even identical twins don't necessarily have the same mtDNA.
Mutations can always happen and thus differences might always be found. Don't shoot me if I'm wrong though :p
That aside, it wouldn't be possible indeed to see wether it would be Maria or Anastasia since there's nothing to compare with in the case there would be rare mutations present

grandduchess_42

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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2007, 10:04:55 PM »
well can't they see the hemophiliac gene or w.e. in the bones DNA?
Didn't marie only carry?

or are we not 100% sure?

dmitri

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« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2007, 10:07:49 PM »
It is all very interesting and extremely exciting!

grandduchess_42

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« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2007, 10:08:28 PM »
I'm soo with ya there! :D
haha

i hope they find out soon :D

Annie

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« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2007, 10:11:56 PM »

That's not completely true I think. Even identical twins don't necessarily have the same mtDNA.
Mutations can always happen and thus differences might always be found. Don't shoot me if I'm wrong though :p
That aside, it wouldn't be possible indeed to see wether it would be Maria or Anastasia since there's nothing to compare with in the case there would be rare mutations present

I'm not going to shoot you but you are wrong. It's NUCLEAR DNA that is only the same in identical twins. mtDNA  is shared by all siblings of the same mother, and remains the same through the female line for all generations. For example my daughter has the same mtDNA as my mother's mother's mother's mother..etc. You and your siblings if you have any share the same mtDNA but not the same nuclear (unless you are identical twins) It was mtDNA that was used to identify the other remains, and to prove Anna Anderson wasn't a relative. They used samples from Prince Phillip, the Queen of England's husband, being the son of Alexandra's sister's daughter, his mtDNA is the same as Alexandra and the children (Nicholas had the mtDNA of his mother, Marie F. and had to be checked against his brother George)

Alexander_IV

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« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2007, 10:24:15 PM »
I know about mtDNA and how it's inherited. And I know nuclear DNA of monozygote twins are the same.
But all I'm saying is that the entire mtDNA genome isn't necessarily 100% identical since mutations can always happen in the individual. Although probably very rare, they still can occur.
I just used the twins as an example that even in that case, there can be a difference in mtDNA

As I said, I'm not sure about it but I'll check my genetics course tomorrow and I'll get back to you :)
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« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2007, 10:39:03 PM »
I got so excited, I ran into my dad's room and yelled as loud as I could, "They think they may have found the missing Romanovs!" My dad gives me this blank look and asks, "Alive?" I eventually realized he was screwing with me.  ::)

We still may be able to tell if it's Maria or Anastasia by the skull...hopefully.