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Offline Naslednik

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Re: Remains of Heir may have been found.
« Reply #255 on: May 12, 2009, 05:17:03 PM »
Fascinating!  But nothing about a gene for hemophilia. This part is interesting:

"It is very likely that the extremely cold climate in Yekaterinburg, where the ground is typically frozen from September until April, provided an ideal environment to preserve the remains."

It is a sort of grim justice that having been sent to Western Siberia, the cold winters preserved the truth.  So much for 'no one will know what happened.'  (It was -25 degrees Celsius the November day that I arrived in Yekaterinburg.)

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« Reply #256 on: September 08, 2010, 02:42:07 PM »
In my view, none of the bodies were found. The blood sampel was taken from Queen Elizabeth II and some one else, and they were both long distance relatives, and when people are, some times the results of DNA could be false

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« Reply #257 on: September 08, 2010, 02:59:49 PM »
In my view, none of the bodies were found. The blood sampel was taken from Queen Elizabeth II and some one else, and they were both long distance relatives, and when people are, some times the results of DNA could be false

What?? How ridiculous! The DNA testings are not false. The bones have been thoroughly tested! It is 100 % sure that the bodies have all been found. Apparently you know nothing about DNA testing and about the whole testing process!

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Re: Remains of Heir may have been found.
« Reply #258 on: September 08, 2010, 03:33:36 PM »
In my view, none of the bodies were found. The blood sampel was taken from Queen Elizabeth II and some one else, and they were both long distance relatives, and when people are, some times the results of DNA could be false

Ok. First, we have a RULE here that statements such as this MUST be accompanied by specific scientific evidence. We no longer accept "in my view blah blah..." because the Forensic DNA analysis is proven and conclusive science.  The second part of your sentence indicates clearly that you do not understand the nature and use of DNA.

Secondly you obviously have not even READ the reports.  No blood sample was taken from Queen Elizabeth II, as she has NO BLOOD RELATIONSHIP for the mtDNA testing.

The sample was taken from HRH Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, who's grandmother was Empress Alexandra's sister, Victoria. There is an unbroken line of maternal descent between him and the mutual mother of Empress Alexandra and his grandmother Victoria.  As mtDNA mutates very slowly, literally only once in fifteen generations, he and Alexandra Feodorovna would clearly share identical mtDNA

Secondly, you further ignore the full DNA analysis done between the skeleton found of Nicholas II which exactly matched the DNA of his brother George Alexandrovich as well as an exact match with a known blood stain sample of Nicholas II from the Otsu incident.  Further, familial analysis showed an EXACT familial relationship between all the bodies, which showed a Mother and Father and their one son and four sisters.  All siblings showed the exact same DNA as well.

Science is now 100% certain that the remains of the Imperial Family are all found and accounted for.

Please present specific evidence to support your position or such posts will be deleted without warning as in violation of my rules. Mods are so directed.

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« Reply #259 on: September 08, 2010, 04:45:19 PM »
Re Reply # 256:  The "some one else" donor was the Duke of Fife. He was not initially publically identified. For further comments on other topic comments made by the poster, please see my Reply # 211, September 09, "Having Fun!/ Re Reincarnations of the Romanovs."  Regards,  AP.
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Re: Remains of Heir may have been found.
« Reply #260 on: September 08, 2010, 04:58:37 PM »
Also, it was not Queen Elisabeth,  but Prince Phillip. who donated blood/dna samples.
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Re: Remains of Heir may have been found.
« Reply #261 on: September 08, 2010, 05:49:52 PM »
In my view, none of the bodies were found. The blood sampel was taken from Queen Elizabeth II and some one else, and they were both long distance relatives, and when people are, some times the results of DNA could be false

What?? How ridiculous! The DNA testings are not false. The bones have been thoroughly tested! It is 100 % sure that the bodies have all been found. Apparently you know nothing about DNA testing and about the whole testing process!


Please, i would like for you to respect my view, whether you believe it or not, i am not saying that what i say IS TRUE, i am saying thats what i believe, and everyone should respect ones belief

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Re: Remains of Heir may have been found.
« Reply #262 on: September 08, 2010, 06:00:38 PM »
Saying such things has nothing to do with belief. It's just against the forum rules. You're allegations are simply false.

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Re: Remains of Heir may have been found.
« Reply #263 on: September 08, 2010, 06:01:46 PM »
Yet i don't see why i don't have the right to post this

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Re: Remains of Heir may have been found.
« Reply #264 on: September 08, 2010, 06:04:23 PM »
I didn't know, i just thought that we lived in a place where i could post what i believe, apparently not. There is no where, i didn't see, that i couldn't post what i did.

This area is not for "beliefs". Rather it is for a FACTUAL discussion of reality, not what you "believe". The very first post of this section on the Myth of Survivors is called
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Re: Remains of Heir have been found and Identified
« Reply #265 on: September 08, 2010, 08:11:44 PM »
I've just deleted a whole string of posts that were nothing but arguments about what may or may not be posted. The rules have been made clear by FA -- please respect them.
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Re: Remains of Heir have been found and Identified
« Reply #266 on: September 08, 2010, 08:20:36 PM »
We have a RULE here that statements such as this of your "belief" MUST be accompanied by specific scientific evidence to support such belief. We no longer accept "in my view blah blah..." because the Forensic DNA analysis is proven and conclusive science.

Thank you Sarushka, as always,

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« Reply #267 on: September 09, 2010, 02:49:38 AM »
I am sorry i started the argument

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Re: Remains of Heir have been found and Identified
« Reply #268 on: September 09, 2010, 06:48:22 AM »
Simply, Remains of the Heir and one of his sister have been found (On July 29th 2007) and identified. IMHO, all matches like a puzzle pieces. I don't think that DNA results are false. They can't be.
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Re: Remains of Heir have been found and Identified
« Reply #269 on: September 09, 2010, 04:36:06 PM »
Apology graciously accepted.

Please understand that this Forum, while technically open to anyone, is privately owned and operated and said owner has the right to deputize the FA and the Moderators so that his rules are respected. So, normal public protocols such as Freedom of Speech, are not applicable here. You are welcome to your opinions/beliefs but we have the right to limit what you say on the Forum.