Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors

[dmitri]

I believe there is a wait and see attitude from some Romanovs.

[AGRBear]

I have changed the name of the thread, as the original name seems to have caused controversy. This thread is about what those who do not believe that EVERYONE in the Imperial Family died that night in Ekaterinburg now think and say. Some people feel that by being discussed here, they are automatically "supporters of AA".  I think we need to make clear that that is NOT the thrust fo the conversation. People still doubt these findings, make serious statements and accusations publicly on the subject, and I believe that this is a fair and reasonable topic to discuss, so long as it is not personal, attacking or violates our policy.  As we have been asked not to directly quote or cite anyone from the K&W Forum, we will respect that request and ask that no direct quotes or personal attribution be made.  The content IS however fair game, and I beleive this to be reasonable.

Bear asked to be left out of the discussion, as she does NOT believe that AA was ANR. Fair enough.  HOWEVER, my point is this, Bear NOW STILL disputes that everyone died that night and is posting very pointed questions in our forum and elsewhere on the internet which clearly indicate that she has SERIOUS doubts that the recent findings are genuine, legitimate, etc. . Insomuch that these posts ARE both here and on the King and Wilson site, which Lisa has said is fair game to discuss without quoting, I think it only reasonable that my post will stand. I"m sorry, but you can not say something in a public forum on the internet in one place then "pick and choose" where and when your statements can be discussed. So long as posts remain ON TOPIC, they are fine.

  I have stated:  I do not nor have I ever thought AA was GD Anastasia, on the King and Wilson forum.

I voiced this because Annie had, once again,  stated disinformation which causes people to think that I thought otherwise.

Now,  the  subject has just been changed to "Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors".   The key word remains "survivors". 

AND, it apears that FA wants to draw me back into the conversation, again, by stating this:

>>she has SERIOUS doubts that the recent findings are genuine, legitimate, etc. <<

This is my rely:   

Is there a particular post of mine about the 29 July findings or Buchanan-Smart's findings or others findings of bones through the years that you'd like to quote and discuss?    I am always  willing and able to have a discussion about my "serious doubts"  on various subjects  just as I am always open to new information and willing to make new  conclusions when evidence I had not known is provided.   

Let me stress, AGAIN:   I don't care what direction the truth takes me, I am just enjoying the journey. 

AGRBear


 

[Forum Admin]

Bear,
So long as APTM users are forbidden to pull quotes from the King and Wilson forum over here, we must ask that YOU stop placing any material posted here over on the K&W forum, specifically including quotes from me, and press releases translated specifically for OUR users here. Thank you for your cooperation.

FA

[Belochka]

Bear,
So long as APTM users are forbidden to pull quotes from the King and Wilson forum over here, we must ask that YOU stop placing any material posted here over on the K&W forum, specifically including quotes from me, and press releases translated specifically for OUR users here. Thank you for your cooperation.

FA

Thank you FA!

Bear I am extremely disappointed to learn that you done this.

Margarita

[Annie]

  I have stated:  I do not nor have I ever thought AA was GD Anastasia, on the King and Wilson forum.

I voiced this because Annie had, once again,  stated disinformation which causes people to think that I thought otherwise.

Bear I know you SAY you never said it and in so many words you didn't. However, when 100% of your posts back up claimants, attack the idea of AA being FS, take up for Heinrich K., the cart story, quote File on the Tsar, and never EVER say or post anything contradictory to AA, it is very, very clear where you stand, lip service or not.

[Annie]

Sorry to disappoint you, but I have not gone.  I have been away for a couple of weeks on holiday and moving house - and what a time to be without a computer! (Yes I had a lovely time and the new house is great, thank you for asking.)

You want my reaction?  I am still catching up with all the posts here, but I simply don't know what to think.  Maybe I was wrong and she wasn't Anastasia.  I am still not convinced she was Francisczka, which was always one of my issues,  but where does that leave me?  Puzzled.  Let's wait until testing is over and then see.  I would like to know where the rest of these two bodies are though.

As I have said on this board before, if I'm wrong, I'll come on here and say so.    I still think the case of AA is the most intriguing mystery I've come across.

At least you have the guts to openly admit you are an AA supporter, unlike others who obviously are but deny it. I don't know why you don't believe she was FS, she looked just like FS, appeared the same time in the same place FS disappeared, and her DNA matched. Please read through my website, it points out some stuff you may not have thought of before. To me there is no doubt at all AA was FS.

[Olishka~ Pincess]

I am ALSO grateful to see someone admiting that. You know people are so scared to amit the truth. Anyway you can not just force them to believe in it they have to figure it out for themselves or I am glad your giving them information that would be helpful as to explain the reason why AA was not A.

[PrincessSophie]

I thought FA directed us to play nice in here?

[AGRBear]

Bear,
So long as APTM users are forbidden to pull quotes from the King and Wilson forum over here, we must ask that YOU stop placing any material posted here over on the K&W forum, specifically including quotes from me, and press releases translated specifically for OUR users here. Thank you for your cooperation.

FA

O-kay-doe-key.   I will not quote you or anyone without their permission from here to there or there to here from this day, Friday morning,  14 Sept 2007, f orward.

For those who find something over on King and Wilson of mine,  and,  you'd like me to repeat it here I'll be more than happy to repeat it here for farther discussion. 

AGRBear

[AGRBear]

  I have stated:  I do not nor have I ever thought AA was GD Anastasia, on the King and Wilson forum.

I voiced this because Annie had, once again,  stated disinformation which causes people to think that I thought otherwise.

Bear I know you SAY you never said it and in so many words you didn't. However, when 100% of your posts back up claimants, attack the idea of AA being FS, take up for Heinrich K., the cart story, quote File on the Tsar, and never EVER say or post anything contradictory to AA, it is very, very clear where you stand, lip service or not.

In case you haven't noticed,  my posts are usually trying to correct  your misinformation, just as I am,  now.

If you think my posts are 100 % about AA   you are mistaken.  I have spent hours and hours  giving information and discussing other subjects on this forum.  A good example is my thread about the Americans who fought in Russia against the Bolsheviks.  At this time,  I'm  on another thread giving people the testimony/memiors of  Sukorukov from a book that is nearly impossible to find.    As for Heinrich K. ,  people can go to the thread and see for themselves how you've given, once again,  misinformation and once it's been explained that you were mistaken and why,  it is easier for you, Annie,  to complain about my sources than to admit you were in error.

AGRBear 

[AGRBear]

Bear,
So long as APTM users are forbidden to pull quotes from the King and Wilson forum over here, we must ask that YOU stop placing any material posted here over on the K&W forum, specifically including quotes from me, and press releases translated specifically for OUR users here. Thank you for your cooperation.

FA

Thank you FA!

Bear I am extremely disappointed to learn that you done this.

Margarita

My error.  I will correct this error as soon as I have time.

AGRBear 

[AGRBear]

Evidently Greg King has already deleted my quotes from AP.

Sorry to have caused extra work for everyone.

AGRBear

[Annie]

  I have stated:  I do not nor have I ever thought AA was GD Anastasia, on the King and Wilson forum.

I voiced this because Annie had, once again,  stated disinformation which causes people to think that I thought otherwise.

Bear I know you SAY you never said it and in so many words you didn't. However, when 100% of your posts back up claimants, attack the idea of AA being FS, take up for Heinrich K., the cart story, quote File on the Tsar, and never EVER say or post anything contradictory to AA, it is very, very clear where you stand, lip service or not.

In case you haven't noticed,  my posts are usually trying to correct  your misinformation, just as I am,  now.

If you think my posts are 100 % about AA   you are mistaken.  I have spent hours and hours  giving information and discussing other subjects on this forum.  A good example is my thread about the Americans who fought in Russia against the Bolsheviks.  At this time,  I'm  on another thread giving people the testimony/memiors of  Sukorukov from a book that is nearly impossible to find.    As for Heinrich K. ,  people can go to the thread and see for themselves how you've given, once again,  misinformation and once it's been explained that you were mistaken and why,  it is easier for you, Annie,  to complain about my sources than to admit you were in error.

AGRBear 

Bear no 1 posts more misinfo than you. You never ever post anything against AA, you only help her & fight her being FS. If you are so great at posting info why not just one time post something against AA's  case? If not I rest mine.

[Forum Admin]

Lets all please stop being personal and stay OT. Thanks.

To be honest, Bear you DO have an agenda and have said so since day one. Your family story is that someone survived, so clearly you DON'T believe that they all died.  You question EVERYTHING that supports all the family being murdered at every turn. Heck, I remember somewhere on the other forum your saying something to the effect that "this old Bear would NEVER believe a word the Russians said" about the recent findings.

You always play slippery, fast and loose with any position, then cry foul when you don't like what people say. How about this Bear? For the RECORD state your position clearly and precisely here and now, of what you actually believe, think and have to say on the subject, then everyone will be on the same page.

1, Do you believe that anyone escaped alive in Ekaterinburg? yes or no.  If yes, WHO.
1.5  If believe Anastasia survived, since you already admit she was NOT Anna Manahan, then who do you believe she was?
2. Do you believe that the remains discovered previously in Ekaterinburg were the Imperial Family.
3.  Do you believe the recent discoveries are the missing children? If not, why not?

anyone else care to add questions for Bear to answer so we can all understand her position better?

[Annie]

1. Do you believe that anyone escaped alive in Ekaterinburg? yes or no.  If yes, WHO.
1.5  If believe Anastasia survived, since you already admit she was NOT Anna Manahan, then who do you believe she was?
2. Do you believe that the remains discovered previously in Ekaterinburg were the Imperial Family.
3.  Do you believe the recent discoveries are the missing children? If not, why not?

4. Since you say you don't believe AA was FS, who was she?