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Russian desendants! Why not move back to Russia? Let's do it!
« on: January 09, 2012, 05:43:33 AM »
In the world of today there are so much people now, that there is no space any more and living and getting food becomes still more difficult all the time. The people with real "upper class" qualifications are disappearing more and more all the time. So now the waging war is going on all over among the more "lower class" people. Those who are now waging war need just more oil and land for their people all the time. How has the American history been - tell that! However, somewhere someone is still waging war in order to defend some of their own people somewhere whose existence is threated somehow. Are maybe very poor people living somewhere where there are some riches, such as oil? Somebody surely wants to throw those poor people out! Everything in this world is based on the fact that there is oil available - as well as electricity. And people should consume all the time more and more of them and the economical growth of the modern states is grounded on this fact. But this is a lie and it cannot go on anymore. The food should not be transported from far away places, but produced in the same places where people live and the resources they have there on the spot. Maybe it doesn't take long and we have to start to form our societies to work in the way as they did already before the French Revolution.

Maybe the Amish people live much in that way without electricity and oil and such groups will one day serve as some examples as most of the people have already lost all the skills of living without oil and electrictiy. We had storms here and a lot of people where without electricity for days. They couldn't cook, wash anything or even use the telephone, internet or see TV, listen to radio or write letters! The modern infrastructure finished working and that is in fact a catastrophe in a modern society! Maybe you should even be able to write long letters by handwriting - something that not everybody does any more by good and quick handwriting! What about a modern media-centre that is working without any electricity? In an emergency situation I might start one.

The fact that people from all over the world are moving into the European area in order to get a better, modern (!!!!?????) living standard based on private and state consumption, is not functioning at all and it must be coming into end. It has to be stopped as soon as possible as complete false and missleading people. And we have to start building functioning, good "welfare" societies all over the world in those places  where there is a lot of land still. Those "welfare" societies have to be built on mutual caretaking of every individual in that society and not on some ideas given by marxism, socialism, feminism and other isms. But this may not be the right place to develop these ideas in details. The values such as honesty, love of your neighbour (love your neighbours as you love yourself), respect for other people, humanity, hardworking for real reasons and motives etc - those values you could maybe call "nobel values", should be appreciated!

In Russia the Christian religion is waking into life -  isn't it. Russia is a rich and wide country and there is a lot of space. However, some Russian people are still moving out and fleeing the living conditions they may thing are too bad instead of trying to build a better world there. But why not change the direction and start moving back to Russia and start building it a new and in a new way very modern and durable society there that is not build on the need of getting more and more oil and electricity all the time? Russia needs highly educated craftsmen and other people! Russia needs money, too! And somehow the fact that the decendants of Russian people abroad all over the world don't even speak Russish any more, must be arranged! Could somebody, please, start learning us Russish here somewhere!
   
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_%C3%A9migr%C3%A9
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_diaspora
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_American

Can you find more articles? Write into Wikipedia articles about Russian emigrants in your area if there are not any yet!

More about this in blog, adress: myfinlanddiary.blogspot.com


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Re: Russian desendants! Why not move back to Russia? Let's do it!
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2012, 02:37:31 AM »
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- I am writing from Finland and I would like to contribute to the article with some things. I had never berfore heard here in Finland anybody talk about some "White Russians" until many years after the fall of Soviet union and yet I live only about 350 km from St.Petersburg. Here in Finland "reds" are communists and socialists and nobody talks any more about the "Whites". Somehow such seem to have disappeared even from this society. Finland had the civil war between the reds and the whites. The word "ryssä" seems always mean only red Russians, nobody knows anything about the White Russians here. And nobody seems to know much about the emigrants here, but new groups of immigrants are entering the country and some have wrongly used that word - or maybe there surely are some who have fled their country due to some political reasons.

- In our circles the group who fled the Russian Revolution was never called "emigrés", but always "emigrants" Everybody knew emigrants were from Russia so there was no use call such people Russian Emigrants. "Emigrants" do not mean any other group of people here and if somebody use that word to something else it sounds nothing but very wrong. I could find the word "emigrant" in my German dictionary together with, but on the first place, before the word "emigré". The emigrant means "politischer Flüchtling" - a political refugee and the word emigré doesn't meant that. And before the very modern times after the fall of the Soviet Union the word "emigré" was never used here and this country didn't either take in many political refugees, but now even that has changed. However, English has not been much in use here before the end of the II World War, but Swedish, German and many knew Russian. But, however, speaking some Russian or German become more or less abandoned among the descendants of the Russian Emigrants, who had those languages as their real mother tongue. They should know Finnish and become real Finns. And many such people don't know much - if anything - about their roots either, something that surely is a tragedy for this whole group of people as they have been deprived their roots. Somehow it is suicidal if not a genocide if they have been discriminated in the local society. It seems as if these families are dying out and disappearing completely from this society. This might be a prove that they never intergrated to the tiny Finnish population. They might have suited better the Swedish population even here.

- The article lets us know that the people who fled for political reasons and emigrated "spanned all classes". I don't quite believe in this. The people highest up in the scale had difficulties of their own in leaving the country, but however some seems to have left. Nobody was allowed to take any money with and all property and money were confiscated - or, however, were these not taken away from "everybody"? Who could flee in those conditions without money? The jewelry might have disappeared during a long journey as did the whole group of people who travelled with some "special" person! All were killed - or were they, however, not? I have never heard here in Finland of other emigrants than those who belonged to the more well off and higher (highest??) social classes. Among us the "social class" was, however, never talked about, not even mentioned. Maybe because these people owned nothing any more - had their roots and former life, but no poperty. However, I have asked a child that emigrated and fled with his parents from Russia, what class does he belong to and without any hesitation he says that to the highest excisting. And these people waited for their whole life that the situation in the Soviet Union might change and maybe that they could go back. Getting back some property was never mentioned - you don't quite even know what they had owned and where they had been living! To preserve some Russian culture abroad and to take it back to Russia was either never worked for in any way. The heritage I am now talking about is from people born around 1883-1893 and they were young people who had just got married and had babies when they had to fly for their lives. Their parents were killed on the spot in their homes. All the roots, family graves and memories were left in Russia. And the whole life was just of waiting to get back, but then started even the II World War. And not even their grandchildren will be leaving back to Russia as they are already too old!

- The article lets us even think that all these people where of "real Russians" by their origin. However, it is said that Russia (St. Petersburg ???) had a foreign "upper class" and well of people. However, if this was the case it must have been a rather strange situation - but what I have heard this was the case. But who were those people? Some of the people I know where people who had Huguenot roots and who had already fled the French Revolution and ended in St.Petersburg. These were protestants and not belonging to the Russian Orthodox Church. They seems to have ended in the city in the times when it was built. But these people felt themselves Russians and where could they flee if they had to leave the country? France might not have been the place this time - it had already gone through its Revolution and might not have wanted this kind of people back! There are no noble, French people after the French Revolution either! Maybe this dying out of some "Russian" people should also be regarded as dying out of some "French" people - even families - mixed even with other European nationalities!


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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2012, 02:38:49 AM »
== Following from Finland ==

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- The article lets us even know that the Russian Orthodox Church (Easten Orthodox Church) abroad was grounded in 1924, after the Revolution. However, isn't it this church that now will again have the connection with the Russian Orthodox Church in Moscow? However, in Finland there is an other Orthodox Church (Eastern Orthodox Church), too. This Finnish Ortodox Church, however, belongs to the Orthodox Church in Greece. Might there be even some competition between these two churches as they are both now in Finland. However, the members of the Orthodox Church in Finland have also a lot of members with their family background in Karelia, an area next to St. Petersburg in Russia, and not only those who were Russian emigrants. But the Russian emigrants who fled the Russian Revolution entered this church here if they were not protestants. The emigrants who were protestants and fled Russia entered the German Church here. However, that church seems to have changed a lot during the decades and I suppose that its members today come from quite other groups. So the German Church here must be something quite else today compared with the times of the Russian Revolution 1917.

- The White Emigrants didn't speak the local language as their mother tongue, but most of their descendants speak mostly Finnish as their "mother tongue" - maybe even Swedish - today. But I have noticed that their temperament and body language etc are quite different from that of the more local people. Even their food culture is somewhat different, too.

- Their surnames might have been changed into some other names suitable for the Finnish language, but later a lot of Russian surnames have started to appear in Finland. I suppose these are not descendants of Russian emigrants, that however, were not so many here, but people moved from this country elsewhere abroad and stayed here just a short while.

- The Finnish company life knows many firms that are originally grounded by some Russian emigrants.

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Re: Russian desendants! Why not move back to Russia? Let's do it!
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2012, 10:12:05 PM »
Many of these desendants do not speak russian ;)

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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2014, 09:22:33 AM »
True and its awful not having been brought up with all that heritage just because of parents FEAR! And we all know that fear hols people back and it does no good for anyone!
So having exited that out heres what I say:

Nothing can stop anyone if you really truly want to know about you russian roots! I want to go back and live in Russia for part of each year when my kids are older and /or when I can have a nanny....and immerse myself in my history. Ideas: working holidays, tour guides. Just walking on russian soil would be great!

You can do anything if you programme your mind to achieve it!

There are russian learning sites you can go to learn Russian, personally I think living there for a period of time is going to be the best way to learn it.
Living there in a community, you could take a look at the The Ringing Cedars group of facebook or the web. Lots of great things happening in Russia and all over the world - Kins Domains....its pretty cool. I would also love to be able to have the opportunity to work in Tsarskoe Selo helping the restoration of the buildings/artworks and gardens, I'd even do it just for bed and board for a while.

Carpe diem!
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Re: Russian desendants! Why not move back to Russia? Let's do it!
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2014, 10:30:06 AM »
I would also love to be able to have the opportunity to work in Tsarskoe Selo helping the restoration of the buildings/artworks and gardens, I'd even do it just for bed and board for a while.

I think there are many minor relics of the Imperial Age in the provinces (e.g. manor houses) much more in need of (and open for) volunteer work than the art and architecture of Tsarskoe Selo, which are national treasures which the Russian government never would let unskilled foreigners meddle with.
Берёзы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и берёзы», 1843 / 1856)

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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2014, 12:48:34 AM »
 ;) Yes of course, volunteering is the best way to go about things, a habit of mine.

Its like a ladder really, you start off at the bottom and work your way up- its the best way to truly understand and comprehend things as they TRULY are.

Do you have any links to volunteering on these types of projects?

It would be very helpful. :)

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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2014, 05:01:36 AM »
Do you have any links to volunteering on these types of projects?
It would be very helpful. :)

Huh, why not try the links to people connected to your father's ancestral village???

Sites about the village of Ivanovo-Rudakovo in which the estate of Ivanovskoye was located:
http://ivanovo-rudakovo.narod.ru/
http://vk.com/club17424122 VKontakte is the Rusian Facebook and I'm sure you can get in touch with someone else with an interest in preserving Ivanovo-Rudakovo there.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2014, 05:04:08 AM by Превед »
Берёзы севера мне милы,—
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: «Ивы и берёзы», 1843 / 1856)

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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2024, 08:00:27 AM »
Thank you!
Ничто когда-либо действительно не умирает - это только преобразовывает.