Your Ten Most Disliked Royals and why Pt II

[Grace]

Tom i appreciate that with hindsight most of us would think he should have moved heaven and earth to rescue his cousin - two points on this though - once rumours broke in Petrograd that the British had offered him asylum certain Duma members insisted that the provisional government guaranteed that the family would remain in Russia making it quite difficult for Kerensky to get them out, the foreign office telegram concerning the offer and the King's reaction are available on line - i discussed them in posts to this discussion http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=11224.0 if you want to have a glance.  He might have put his throne before his family, and he was a pretty appalling father but he wouldn't make my top ten.

Putting his throne before his family was one of George V's GOOD points, in my opinion.  I don't think there are many instances where job should come before family, but being a reigning monarch would have to be one of them.  Agree with your assessment of him as a father though unfortunately.

[Michael HR]

It is a great shame the royal archives are closed as they would contain so many answers. Of course he did move heaven and earth to get the rest of the family out later or the rest of them would perhaps also have been killed.

[Teddy]

It is a great shame the royal archives are closed as they would contain so many answers. Of course he did move heaven and earth to get the rest of the family out later or the rest of them would perhaps also have been killed.

Why is it a shame Michael  HR? Because they are Royalty and famous they must tell us all their dirty little secrets? Truly I must say, that I would like to see more diaries and letters and photo's and other documents being published. But if I think clearly, I must say: that I understand that they don't publish all their personal stuff. They are just also private persons just like you and I. Think about that all you dirty family history is open for everyone off the world. That they can dig up all your dirty secrets and that off you father, mother, siblings, etc etc.

Because they played a bigger part in the history off this world then many of us, it doesn't mean that it is OUR RIGHT, to snuffle like detectives or like paparazzi trough their personal papers, belongings.
 
IF it is OUR RIGHT, then maybe we can maybe ask Her Majesty the Queen Elizabeth II directly her number of her private cell phone!!!

[Michael HR]

I am not sure I said it is "our right" to view the archives as in fact I do not think that we do have any right to see private papers in respect of private family matters. What I meant was that if we knew the true role of George V in relation to the Tsar in 1917 we might better understand why the offer for the Tsar to come to the UK was withdrawn after it had at first been agreed. Many have said that George did not act with honor in this episode of history but of course none of us actually know the true picture of who did what and why and, for that matter, who disagreed with the revoke decision. This was a political matter where the King and government acted on the behalf of the British people at the time as the request for asylum was a formal request from one government to another and perhaps therefore was not a private family matter as such.

Private family matters I agree are private but this episode does not seem to fall into that area as such. The British Government and George V revoked the offer of asylum and this helped in the fate of the Tsar and his family in Russia and puts the British government in a difficult position as many have said they signed in effect the death warrant.

I was arguing therefore not for private matters but matters that concern the government of this country and its dealings with Russia at such a pivotal period in history.

I did not mean to offend anyone and if I have I apologize.

 

It is a great shame the royal archives are closed as they would contain so many answers. Of course he did move heaven and earth to get the rest of the family out later or the rest of them would perhaps also have been killed.

Why is it a shame Michael  HR? Because they are Royalty and famous they must tell us all their dirty little secrets? Truly I must say, that I would like to see more diaries and letters and photo's and other documents being published. But if I think clearly, I must say: that I understand that they don't publish all their personal stuff. They are just also private persons just like you and I. Think about that all you dirty family history is open for everyone off the world. That they can dig up all your dirty secrets and that off you father, mother, siblings, etc etc.

Because they played a bigger part in the history off this world then many of us, it doesn't mean that it is OUR RIGHT, to snuffle like detectives or like paparazzi trough their personal papers, belongings.
 
IF it is OUR RIGHT, then maybe we can maybe ask Her Majesty the Queen Elizabeth II directly her number of her private cell phone!!!

[Eddie_uk]

I just don't except that George V was not doing his best for Nicholas and his family.

This is an interesting link:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article601139.ece
http://www.axisglobe.com/article.asp?article=1098

[Norbert]

consider contemporary opinion in UK which regarded the Tsar as a cruel dictator. Interestingly we witnessed history repeating itself with the fall of the Shah, and the problem of finding a safe place of exile for him.

[Eric_Lowe]

True...But they don't know Nicky the family man, but "Bloody Nicholas" who shot priests, women and children. Also George V did slam the door on his cousin. But I do wonder if he known it would cause the death of the entire family, would he had acted otherwise ? 

[Eddie_uk]

Also George V did slam the door on his cousin.

Eric, have you paid no attention to the links I posted above?? Please, just once, can get your facts straight?

Thank you so much.

[tom_romanov]

i wonder why Queen Mary was more 'maternal' with her grandchildren rather than her children. ( i dont dislike her i just thought of it while we was on the topic of george the V)

[Eric_Lowe]

Well...George V did send cruiser to rescue the Dowager Empress (she not a Romanov ?) and fellow Romanovs to safety. He also resured Prince Andrew of Greece after he was sentenced to be killed. No I think he could have saved them but back off since he was afaid of negative press...Even VMH asked if the Tsar was not to be allowed out, certainly (like his mother & sisters and cousin (Greek Minny was actually in England)) the girls (OMTA) could come ? 

[tom_romanov]

Well...George V did send cruiser to rescue the Dowager Empress (she not a Romanov ?) and fellow Romanovs to safety. He also resured Prince Andrew of Greece after he was sentenced to be killed. No I think he could have saved them but back off since he was afaid of negative press...Even VMH asked if the Tsar was not to be allowed out, certainly (like his mother & sisters and cousin (Greek Minny was actually in England)) the girls (OMTA) could come ? 

i too have often wondered why OTMA and possibly alexi and Alix was not sent to England but as the IF was such a close family then perhaps they didnt want to be seperated in such torubled times ( another reference of this is when mr Frank turned down the offer to send Anne and Margot Frank to england)

[Grace]

Surely in both cases you cite (the Imperial children and Anne Frank and her sister), the parents would willingly have given up their children to foreign shores had they genuinely known what fate had in store for them. 

[tom_romanov]

Surely in both cases you cite (the Imperial children and Anne Frank and her sister), the parents would willingly have given up their children to foreign shores had they genuinely known what fate had in store for them. 

ah but sadly in both cases they didn't

[Michael HR]

Hi Tom,

At the one time they could have gone to England the children were all very ill and bed bound at the Alexander Palace and could not be moved. By the time they had recovered it was no longer possible for them to come to the UK as George V had revoked the offer of asylum and they were under arrest and shortly bound for Tobolsk. Had the children not been ill the Empress and the children could have perhaps left the Palace and made their way to either port for England or to join the Tsar. 

Well...George V did send cruiser to rescue the Dowager Empress (she not a Romanov ?) and fellow Romanovs to safety. He also resured Prince Andrew of Greece after he was sentenced to be killed. No I think he could have saved them but back off since he was afaid of negative press...Even VMH asked if the Tsar was not to be allowed out, certainly (like his mother & sisters and cousin (Greek Minny was actually in England)) the girls (OMTA) could come ? 

i too have often wondered why OTMA and possibly alexi and Alix was not sent to England but as the IF was such a close family then perhaps they didnt want to be seperated in such torubled times ( another reference of this is when mr Frank turned down the offer to send Anne and Margot Frank to england)

[Norbert]

I don't think anyone imagined that the Empress and her children would have been murdered. Foreign governments considered that the Tsar would be brought to trial by the Soviets and possibly shot