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Re: Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska Part 7
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2007, 04:24:48 PM »
Annie, I am curious, just who wrote what you're quoting here? The reason I ask is that I believe that whoever wrote this is the copyright holder, unless you have specific permission from him/her should not be quoted. And the person at the very least should not be quoted without attribution, irrespective of the copyright issue?

Just asking. I mean, if everyone is going to jump all over this person, should we not know who it is and if this is their writing, and if so if this is with their permission. Otherwise, someone could be making this up and would make all of this rather pointless?

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Re: Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska Part 7
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2007, 04:33:54 PM »
A member who is no longer with us sent it to me in a PM. It is not a quote directly from any book.  Other people have told me the names are  mentioned in "I, Anastasia." I did not quote the person who said it, because I thought mentioning names would be an invasion of privacy. It doesn't matter who said it, it's the info itself I wanted to know more about.
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Re: Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska Part 7
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2007, 07:16:34 PM »
Yes from the very beginning all the so called evidence to do with the fraud Anna Anderson was dubious to say the least.

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Re: Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska Part 7
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2007, 04:37:39 AM »
I've already read this theory in a book from the 60's by the french historian Alain Decaux. Actually the author was sure AA was FS but he quoted all the "testimonies" whose were heard at this time, and among them they were people from Russia and Rumania who sais they meet a russian soldier who told them he saved Anastasia, and he uses this false name, Aleksander Tshaikovsky because he was scared for his life. But some witnesses said they knew him before the revolution and his real name was Stanislav Mishkevich.
In the book, the author says clearly those testimony are very dubious, but this rumour already exist at that time

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Re: Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska Part 7
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2007, 08:28:32 AM »
No doubt. Amazing how some people can be so gullible.

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Re: Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska Part 7
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2007, 10:47:07 AM »
Thanks, Loulia, I had never heard of that book,what is the name of it? It's always interesting when people find books that were only printed in Europe that most Americans don't know about. Dubious 'testimony' sounds about right, and I wouldn't doubt that some people may have even been paid or promised payoff for their 'stories', or it could have come from the rumors. But the cart trip never took place.

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Re: Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska Part 7
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2007, 07:58:57 AM »
Sorry I'm not home today but I will give you the source tomorrow evening when I'm home, and I'll quote the testimonies

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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2007, 10:11:08 AM »
Thank you, that will be very interesting to read!

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Re: Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska Part 7
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2007, 03:11:22 PM »
I'm getting back home sooner than I thaught, missing to much my daughter :P
So for the book it is: The enigme Anastasia
by Alain Decaux
edition La Palatine
printed in 1961

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Re: Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska Part 7
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2007, 03:51:47 PM »
and for the testimonies: I'll make it a bit shorter , I'll quote only one, because it is very long and I have to translate
I'll check just the most interseting things:

Direction of the central "brigad" (don't know how to translate this word, sorry) of the police

  "Me, A.C.C., from the town C., district I, born in this town and living street Ch. D., declares:
I lived in Russia from 1917 to april 1918, where I worked for the war ministery and for the french military mission, it made me traveled to different places: Arkhangel, Petrograd, Riga, Kharkov, Moscow, Simferopol, Sebastopol, Vologda, Ekaterinburg, Kiev and Odessa. During those trips I met a lot of Russian officers from the Tsar's army.
Back in Rumania, I had an intervention surgical and entered, the 27 November 1918, at the Philantropia Hospital, and left a few time after. One day I was sit on a bench on the Victoria's place, not far from this hospital, and a Polish native man, a good friend that I met in Russia, where he was soldier in the bolshevist army, came close to me.
I knew him as Stanislaw.
He was a normal tall, had chatain hair and a scar at the left eye.
In Russia, he ever called me "Pan" as I also called him.
But I know for sure his name was Stanislaw Mishkevich.
  We talked together a moment, then he asked me if there were bolshevics in Rumania
I answered no there are not and there will never be. As he knew in Russia I belonged to the Cadets party, he told me he had something to say to me, something secret and who had to stay secret. He asked me my parole of honor to be mute, and told me that if I don't, I would be kill and my familly too.
When I gave him my parole, he started to explain that him, Stanislaw, had in his home someone badly injured and he wanted to take this person to Bucarest to put her in a hospital. But it couldn't be a military hospital.
I told him to go to the Dr Gerotta's sanatorium, even if it was expensive. He said he didn't care, he had enough money, but the secret had to stay secret. I told him that if it wasn't about a crime , he could feel tranquil, because in Rumania we were very free.
He told me :" but if the injured person... is a woman... I could make people believe she is a man?" I answered it was impossible. Then, my friend Stanislaw, with tears in his eyes, told me the truth:
" I have under my protection a woman from the Tzar's familly murdered by Yurovsky, the fat and brutal worker. Yurovsky killed only the Tzar, the Tzarina and one of their daughter. The other members of the familly were killde by soldiers. I saved one of the girl. I want to go to her, with a friend, in the town I left her, near Odessa, in the Nicolaev direction, and bring her here. I want to save her from bolshevics, who would kill me if they knew what I did."
Then I asked him how he managed to save her. He answered that Yurovsky, the fat and brutal bolshevic, killed the Tzar, the Tzarina and one of their girl, put them in a lorry "packard", brought them in a forest not far from here, where he burnt them, for the Kolshakt's army, who came close from Ekaterinburg, can't find them. Among the others members of the Tzar's familly, he saved a young girl and took her in a small car to Nicolaev-Odessa. She was injured at the head and on her face, because she received "coup de crosse" (please someone translate?)
 We seperated without he took a decision, I waited for a letter from here but never received nothing.
I've read in a newspaper from Bucarest that Miss Sp, living at the hotel Splendid, came to Bucarest to learn more about grand duchess Anastasia, that my friend Stanislaw saved. I wrote to this woman that I could learn to her some details on this subject. µThose details are the ones I'm tellin here.

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Re: Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska Part 7
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2007, 03:53:05 PM »
I think one testimony is enough to see all the inacurencies...
No comment...

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Re: Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska Part 7
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2007, 03:57:47 PM »
but in the book, the author also relates the different stories AA made up to explain how she survived, at the begining of her claim: she first said she went to Rumania with the wife of the soldier who saved her, then with the soldier and his father Sergei, then with a soldier called Alexander Tshaikovsky, his brother Sergei, sister Veronika and probably his mother Maria.
Even if the brothers were between 20 and 30 years old, Maria was about 40 years old. Young mother! :)

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Re: Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska Part 7
« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2007, 04:04:39 PM »
I think one testimony is enough to see all the inacurencies...
No comment...

Yes it is, thank you for posting. It sure is inaccurate about a great many things. This doesn't even match with AA's cart story which was also false.

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Re: Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska Part 7
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2007, 07:29:50 PM »
Yes it is quite amazing the lies the fraud told.

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Re: Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska Part 7
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2007, 10:26:42 AM »
Yes it is quite amazing the lies the fraud told.

dmitri: You are hereby prohibited from repeating your very tired saw about "lies" and "fraud" any further on this thread. The facts are, there is no proof that AA committed deliberate fraud, and moreover, your extremely repetitive comments do absolutely nothing to improve or to enhance the discussion of this topic. We all know how you feel, so give it a rest.

And, please don't debate me on this issue - if you fail to follow this directive, you will be treated to a suspension, courtesy of me.