Non Romanov and more obscure royal pretenders/impostors/claimants...

[Robert_Hall]

Only legitimate children inherit titles.  Sometimes, like the Yurievskys, illegitimate  children were given titles, but did  they did not inherit them.

[dmitri]

Quite correct Robert. Tsar Alexander II created his 2nd wife Princess Yurievsky. He never made her Empress. Their children took after their mother and were elevated to Prince and Princesses Yurievsky on her marriage. They were all born illiegitimate as he married their mother after their births. His sons and daughter by Tsarina Maria Alexandrovna were naturally legitimate and were therefore Grand Dukes and Grand Duchess by birth and not creation. 

[helenazar]

Peter Mills of Newport, aka His Imperial Majesty Petros I, Emperor and Autokrat of the Romans, was born in 1927, the son of Frank Mills and Robina Mills nee Colenutt. His maternal grandfather was Samuel Colenutt, a plumber of Niton in the Isle of Wight. The Colenutt ancestry can possibly be traced on the island as far back as the part of the 18th century, but no farther. For some unknown reason, it was through the Colenutts that "Prince Petros"derived his imperial blood... Through some strange process he linked his mother's unusual maiden name to the Emperors of Constantinople, using sources to which he alone was privy.



At his early death in 1988, the obituary referred to him by his self-assumed titulature, in no less a journal than THE TIMES...

[Robert_Hall]

Where are you getting these from, Helen?
  They are hysterical.
 There are no end to the Byzantine claimants. I know of one personally who claims to be the legitimate king of Macedonia.  Which is of itself quite a stretch, since the last one was Alexander thet Great.  There are also some Comnenii running around Europe,  but no one takes them seriously.
 BTW, The Times refers to anyone by what they wished to call themselves. It is only polite.
 

[Annie]

Quite correct Robert. Tsar Alexander II created his 2nd wife Princess Yurievsky. He never made her Empress. Their children took after their mother and were elevated to Prince and Princesses Yurievsky on her marriage. They were all born illiegitimate as he married their mother after their births. His sons and daughter by Tsarina Maria Alexandrovna were naturally legitimate and were therefore Grand Dukes and Grand Duchess by birth and not creation. 

This was an obit in my local paper a couple years ago. I don't believe Alexander II had any kids by that Dr.!

Jeanette P. Yarborough

Grand Duchess Jeanette Prokofieff Romanov, daughter of Leona Victoria Ackerman and Grand Duke Vicktor Maxim Prokofieff Romanov, son of Tsar Alexander II of Russia and Dr. Marie Vereschagan Prokofieff, died Thursday, July 7, at her residence.

[Forum Admin]

Quite correct Robert. Tsar Alexander II created his 2nd wife Princess Yurievsky. He never made her Empress. Their children took after their mother and were elevated to Prince and Princesses Yurievsky on her marriage. They were all born illiegitimate as he married their mother after their births. His sons and daughter by Tsarina Maria Alexandrovna were naturally legitimate and were therefore Grand Dukes and Grand Duchess by birth and not creation. 

This was an obit in my local paper a couple years ago. I don't believe Alexander II had any kids by that Dr.!

Jeanette P. Yarborough

Grand Duchess Jeanette Prokofieff Romanov, daughter of Leona Victoria Ackerman and Grand Duke Vicktor Maxim Prokofieff Romanov, son of Tsar Alexander II of Russia and Dr. Marie Vereschagan Prokofieff, died Thursday, July 7, at her residence.

Umm Annie,

"IF" this person was the daughter of Alexander II, there is another small "problem".  Well, Alexander II died in 1881...so, even assuming the daughter was conceived just before his death, and this obit was from say 2000,. well, the woman would have had to have been 118 at the youngest....

[dmitri]

Now why on earth would that be unlikely FA? .. huge smile!!!! The wonders of medical science never cease to amaze me!!! ... was she a Bionic Romanov? .. lol

[Annie]

Quite correct Robert. Tsar Alexander II created his 2nd wife Princess Yurievsky. He never made her Empress. Their children took after their mother and were elevated to Prince and Princesses Yurievsky on her marriage. They were all born illiegitimate as he married their mother after their births. His sons and daughter by Tsarina Maria Alexandrovna were naturally legitimate and were therefore Grand Dukes and Grand Duchess by birth and not creation. 

This was an obit in my local paper a couple years ago. I don't believe Alexander II had any kids by that Dr.!

Jeanette P. Yarborough

Grand Duchess Jeanette Prokofieff Romanov, daughter of Leona Victoria Ackerman and Grand Duke Vicktor Maxim Prokofieff Romanov, son of Tsar Alexander II of Russia and Dr. Marie Vereschagan Prokofieff, died Thursday, July 7, at her residence.

Umm Annie,

"IF" this person was the daughter of Alexander II, there is another small "problem".  Well, Alexander II died in 1881...so, even assuming the daughter was conceived just before his death, and this obit was from say 2000,. well, the woman would have had to have been 118 at the youngest....

Oh but it says her father was the son of Alexander II, and he would have been old enough! She was daughter of Grand Duke Vicktor who was the son of Alexander II and Dr. Marie! So there's still a chance!

[Annie]

 Last night on the History channel, they had a story on Catherine the Great and it said a claimant/pretender for Peter III gathered enough supporters fora an attempted coup, but was caught and hanged. Without even a DNA test!

[Forum Admin]

AHHHHH, the good old days....

[Robert_Hall]

That was the [in]famous Pugachev was it not?

[helenazar]

That was the [in]famous Pugachev was it not?

Yes. Emelian Ivanovich Pugachev ( c.1742–75) was a Russian peasant leader, head of the peasant rebellion of 1773–74. A Don Cossack, he exploited a widespread peasant belief that Peter III had not actually been murdered. Claiming to be Peter III, he soon found himself at the head of an army and of a revolutionary movement. His followers—Cossacks, peasants, runaway serfs, Tatar bands, and serfs from the mines and factories—all belonged to the lower classes, whose rights and liberties had been increasingly curtailed in the past two centuries. Pugachev announced the abolition of serfdom. His army overran the middle and lower Volga districts and the Ural region and took Kazan and several fortresses, committing barbarous excesses and threatening the throne of Catherine II, who was waging war on the Ottoman Empire. However, the rebels lacked experienced leadership and were ultimately defeated. Pugachev was betrayed, taken to Moscow, and beheaded. As a result of the rebellion Catherine introduced the administrative reform (1775) that increased the central government's control over outlying areas and more firmly entrenched the institution of serfdom.


Pugachev                                                                 Peter III

[Robert_Hall]

Ex P-L, The Comnenii were a dynasty of Byzantine emperors that cesed ruling in 1185.

[Annie]

Pugachev                                                                 Peter III

Not even close!  Guess the people back then didn't have any pics to compare, or were just really gullible.

[Robert_Hall]

Most people had never even seen Peter III to know what he looked like.  He did not have a long riegn, I am not sure if coins were even struck with his image.