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« Reply #120 on: October 03, 2007, 02:42:06 PM »
I know those potraits of Peter do not even look close at all. I realy do not think any of these potraits have clues to show how he actually look liked. Yes that is right Robert, most people have not seen Peter III. He did not even rule for a long time. I doubt it if the coins would give us an idea of how he realy looked.

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« Reply #121 on: October 03, 2007, 03:11:32 PM »
This is such an interesting thread.   Here's another one, but according to this story, and the wikipedia article, DNA tests eventually proved by 95% accuracy he was indeed the missing heir of Baden and adoptive grandson of Napoleon:

http://www.mysteriouspeople.com/Hauser1.htm

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« Reply #122 on: October 03, 2007, 03:22:04 PM »
Most people had never even seen Peter III to know what he looked like.  He did not have a long riegn, I am not sure if coins were even struck with his image.

I guess they did have his portraits, but most common people wouldn't have access to see them anyway. So that's true, 95% of the population probably had no clue what Peter III looked like. Besides, they liked what Emelian was saying to them -i.e. he will emancipate all serfs, etc. - and they wanted him as their Tsar! My guess is that they probably didn't care that much at that point if he was really Peter III...

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« Reply #123 on: October 03, 2007, 06:07:37 PM »
Yes you are right. He was just one to take advantage of at the time to try to get more of what certain people wanted.

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« Reply #124 on: October 05, 2007, 03:33:10 PM »
http://www.mysteriouspeople.com/Hauser1.htm

Yes, this guy is pretty interesting... Here is another portrait of Kaspar:



ANd here is the photo of his gravestone:

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« Reply #125 on: October 31, 2007, 10:35:30 AM »
I've always been fascinated by the story of the mysterious Kaspar Hauser!

I hadn't heard before of the more recent DNA tests, which do seem to indicate that he was of royal birth.

Very intriguing--thanks so much for the link!!!  :)
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« Reply #126 on: August 07, 2008, 08:45:00 PM »
More about Anna Anderson...

Many films have been made and many books have been written about AA. We all know the DNA evidence ultimately confirmed that Anastasia Nikolaievna perished with her family in Ekaterinburg. I think it would be a real challenge to make a film about Franziska Schanzkowska, “la fausse Anastasie,” as Gilliard called her. How and when did she conceive of perpetrating royal identity theft on such a grand scale? One could begin with her childhood in Poland, her early career as a factory worker and, later, her move to Berlin. Did some conspirators quickly see imposter potential in Franziska and begin her immersion in the minutiae of Court life and royal deportment? Were other candidates also considered, or was delusional FS favoured from the start? How did she convince people of her alleged identity such that they remained devoted to her until the day she died?  The film should convey the enormous tension between FS’s awareness that she was a fraud and the necessity of constantly have to convince people of her assumed identity. Merely romanticizing and dwelling on the possibility that AN survived is easy; this film would present a tale of ambition and delusion closer to the truth. It would take as great an actress as Franziska herself to convey how she so skillfully manipulated people’s gullibility and suggestibility. This film could be no worse than the many other films on this theme.     



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« Reply #127 on: September 15, 2008, 09:21:22 AM »
It needs clarifying that Peter Mills was nothing other than a deluded individual who attempted to perpetuate a myth started by his grandfather Samuel that the Colenutts were in some way related to royalty. The result of this man's obsession resulted in disappointment and heartbreak to several members of the family (three elderly cousins) who were endeavouring to establish a fully authenticated account of the family history on and about the Isle of Wight. Their involved and time-absorbing work was carried out over the time span 1958 - 1972.  Peter Mills caused the main damage by falsifying papers then inserting them into the official archives and claiming they were newly discovered evidence.
The Colenutt (formerly Colnet) family has a long history on the island and can be traced back through every generation to circa 1500. Evidence of earlier Colnets has come to light at Winchester in the mid 15th century.
I am descended from the Isle.of.Wight. Colenutts and live in Leeds but members of the family are world-wide. I am also in possession of the work carried out by three cousins as mentioned above.
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« Reply #128 on: January 26, 2009, 06:34:15 PM »
Has anyone given a thought to a person coming forward whose dna would match? Just take a moment to think about that one, it would certainly answer alot of questions.

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« Reply #129 on: February 04, 2009, 05:22:56 PM »
Has anyone given a thought to a person coming forward whose dna would match? Just take a moment to think about that one, it would certainly answer alot of questions.

Not really! There are probably hundreds (if not thousands) of people with a mtDNA match. These would be people with the same maternal DNA as the Duke of Edinburgh, for one. Once thought rare, in fact there are likely more individuals with this mtDNA than those with the Schankowska mtDNA!

Since nuclear DNA is not a "match" situation, being unique to an individual, a person with "matching DNA" would only tell us there was a common maternal ancestor with Queen Victoria.

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« Reply #130 on: October 23, 2009, 02:57:03 PM »
More about Anna Anderson...

[about FS] (...) One could begin with her childhood in Poland, (...)


Why so many peple here keep repeating that FS was born and lived in Poland - she was not! Bytow/Buetow region was not a part of Poland since 17th century... It was under german rule till the end of WWII...

The funny thing is that AN was in Poland (Spala, 1912) but FS was not...

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« Reply #131 on: December 06, 2009, 05:06:16 PM »
My grandmother was  Marina Obolensky Kropotkin .In the sixties she had the idea to invite some of the pretenders .A lot came She had multiple sets of Marias Anastasias and Alexei’s .But never believed any of them after scrutiny .She  met Anna Anderson once and said “ the girl could not speak Russian or French “ basically that was her way of saying she thought Anna to be a fraud .DNA tests showed later that she was right.

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« Reply #132 on: December 29, 2009, 09:26:16 AM »
I read in one of those cheap British magazines, this one guy was claiming to be the illigimate son of Princess Margret.

The only evidence, a photograph of him as a toddler, in a car and the window reflection of a well dress woman who took his photo.

About three years ago, some woman claimed to be Azaria Chamberlian aka the baby that got eaten by dingos back in 1980s.    Of course DNA proved she wasn't.

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« Reply #133 on: December 29, 2009, 09:33:21 AM »
Can someone explain me this?

This guy he says he s the love child of Maria Gabriella Di savoia and Reza Pahlavi


http://www.lastoriaincredibile.org/inglese/home.php

Can it be true?

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« Reply #134 on: January 30, 2015, 08:32:16 PM »
Quite correct Robert. Tsar Alexander II created his 2nd wife Princess Yurievsky. He never made her Empress. Their children took after their mother and were elevated to Prince and Princesses Yurievsky on her marriage. They were all born illiegitimate as he married their mother after their births. His sons and daughter by Tsarina Maria Alexandrovna were naturally legitimate and were therefore Grand Dukes and Grand Duchess by birth and not creation. 

This was an obit in my local paper a couple years ago. I don't believe Alexander II had any kids by that Dr.!

Jeanette P. Yarborough

Grand Duchess Jeanette Prokofieff Romanov, daughter of Leona Victoria Ackerman and Grand Duke Vicktor Maxim Prokofieff Romanov, son of Tsar Alexander II of Russia and Dr. Marie Vereschagan Prokofieff, died Thursday, July 7, at her residence.


Jeannette was my mother. The funeral home made a typo when either taking the information from me or releasing it to the newspaper. It was supposed to have read Alexander III.