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Re: Archduke Leopold Salvator of Tuscany (1863-1931),his family and descendants
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2008, 07:19:02 PM »
I haven't seen any but perhaps there are some in the book The Unknown Habsburgs? Perhaps someone who has the book can see. (The book deals with the Tuscany branch of the family, I believe.)
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Re: Archduke Leopold Salvator of Tuscany (1863-1931),his family and descendants
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2008, 03:23:34 AM »
Hi Danjel.

Nice to see you back here.

Can you post some pictures of him? I would be interested. And I think, others, too. Would appreciate it a lot.
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2008, 12:09:28 PM »

And about his wives too.. :-'

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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2008, 06:55:15 AM »
Archduke Franz Joseph (1905-1975) was the ninth child and fourth son of Archduke Leopold Salvator (1863-1931) and his wife Blanca de Bourbon (1868-1949). He was naturalised in Spain in 1926 and used the name "Pricipe de Habsburgo y Bourbon". During the second world war he lived in the US, where he worked as an interior designer. In 1955 he returned to Austria. He inherited the Carlist pretension to the Spanish throne from his brother Karl Pius who had died in 1953 and called himself "Duke of Madrid". Franz Joseph died of cancer at castle Hernstein near Berndorf.

Franz Joseph's first wife was Maria Aloisia "Marta" Bäumer, daughter of Rudolf Bäumer and Anna Maria Angela Gerstl. She was born on September 30th in Vienna-Hetzendorf, but there are different opinions about her year of birth. On her death certificate it's 1909, but on a file concerning her divorce from Franz Joseph in 1967, she was born in 1906. Marta's first husband was Franz Ritter von Kahler (born 1895). This marriage was annuled. Marta died on March 9th 1956 in Vienna and was buried in Grillenberg near Berndorf. She didn't have children.

In 1962 Franz Joseph married Maria Elena Seunig. This seems a little bit strange to me as he was divorced from his first wife in 1967. Had he really been married to two women for about 5 years?? Maria Elena was the daughter of Egon Seunig and Nella Penelope Gialdini. She was born in Trieste on September 7th 1925 and died in Baden near Vienna on August 20th 1994. The couple had a daughter called Patricia Federica Maria Valeria Nella, Gräfin von Habsburg (born 1963).
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Re: Archduke Leopold Salvator of Tuscany (1863-1931),his family and descendants
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2008, 08:33:17 AM »
Maria Elena Seunig was created Countess de Basus...was this title assumed by Franz joseph as Carlist King or was it given by Franco?

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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2008, 11:23:26 AM »
Maria Elena Seunig was created Countess de Basus...was this title assumed by Franz joseph as Carlist King or was it given by Franco?

That reminds me that I've never seen a pic/photo of "king" Carlos-Pio.

Can anybody post any ?
Also of his family, the "queen" and the "infantas".
I know his younger daughter Imaculada works at the Spanish Institute in NY.
"Hola" had some pictures of her with the Queen and Infanta Pilar a few months ago at a reception held there.
Maybe someone still has them...
What about the older, Alejandra ?

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« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2008, 03:15:54 AM »
Thank you, Marie Charlotte, for the interesting biographical descriptions on Archduke Franz Joseph and the wonderful photos. I did not know much about Franz Josephs life before. Where did you get all this? Is it from a special book or also from the net?
I must also confess I did not look enough, but I had never seen, especially the last three pictures. The family picture, called "the sons of....." was indeed several times at ebay, if I do remember it correctly, unfortuntely I did not buy it.

Yes, I would also been interested to know what his daughter does, if she has children or a family etc. 
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Re: Archduke Leopold Salvator of Tuscany (1863-1931),his family and descendants
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2008, 03:22:03 AM »
Maria Elena Seunig was created Countess de Basus...was this title assumed by Franz joseph as Carlist King or was it given by Franco?

That reminds me that I've never seen a pic/photo of "king" Carlos-Pio.




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Re: Archduke Leopold Salvator of Tuscany (1863-1931),his family and descendants
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2008, 05:44:06 AM »
Nice picture! Where did you get it??

I looked on the site of MARDAM, but at the moment I don't see that pictures of the Habsburg-Tuscany branch there, only red crosses...a pity.

Was there anything special on the life of Archduke Carlos-Pio..why was he called "king" here?

Sorry that I seem so stupid today, but I have so many other works and I'm not the best in the modern Habsburgs of the Tuscany branch, rather on the older ones...
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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2008, 06:26:25 AM »
The eldest daughter of Carlos VII was Bianca de Borbón y Borbón-Parma (1868-1949). She married Archduke Leopold Salvator of Austria (1863-1931). In 1943 one of their sons presented himself as Carlist claimant in succession to his great-uncle Alfonso Carlos. Since this claim comes through a female line, it is rejected by most Carlists.
Carlo Pio de Habsburgo-Lorena y Borbón (Archduke Karl Pius of Austria) was Carlist claimant from 1943 to 1953. He was supported by some of General Franco's officials from the Movimiento Nacional. As he assumed the title of King Carlos VIII, the movement that supports this branch of the family is called carloctavismo.
Antonio de Habsburgo-Lorena y Borbón (Archduke Anton of Austria) was the brother of Carlo Pio and was Carlist claimant (Carlos IX) from 1953 to 1961.
Francisco José de Habsburgo-Lorena y Borbón (Archduke Franz Josef of Austria) was the brother of Carlo Pio and Antonio and was Carlist claimant (Francisco I) from 1961 to 1975.
Domingo de Habsburgo-Lorena y Hohenzollern (Archduke Dominic of Austria) is the son of Antonio and has been Carlist claimant (Domingo I) from 1975 until present. He has the support of only a tiny minority of Carlists including the Comunión Carloctavista y Círculo Carlos VIII.
Some carloctavistas consider that Domingo has contracted an unequal marriage and is thus ineligible to succeed to the throne [1]. Following the version of the succession law advocated by the carloctavistas, that if the direct male line dies out the nearest female relative of the last king inherits the crown with succession to her heirs male, then with only descent through equal marriages allowed the claim would have passed on the death of Francisco José in 1975 to Infante Juan, Count of Barcelona. This would make the present de facto king Juan Carlos of Spain the Carlist king, although, as all his children have contracted unequal marriages, the Carlist claim will pass on his death to Infante Carlos, Duke of Calabria. However, many Carlists regard the current de facto Spanish royal family as disqualified (see above). If Alfonso XII and his heirs are discounted, the heir to the Spanish throne under the carloctavista succession rules with descent only through equal marriages is Duarte Pio, Duke of Braganza, the current pretender to the throne of Portugal.
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Re: Archduke Leopold Salvator of Tuscany (1863-1931),his family and descendants
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2008, 06:29:12 AM »
Thank you, Marie Charlotte, for the interesting biographical descriptions on Archduke Franz Joseph and the wonderful photos. I did not know much about Franz Josephs life before. Where did you get all this? Is it from a special book or also from the net?

The pics are taken from different books, for example The unknown Habsburgs. I found some information about FJ in Alois Jahn's books about the Habsburgs.
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Re: Archduke Leopold Salvator of Tuscany (1863-1931),his family and descendants
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2008, 07:47:51 AM »
I looked on the site of MARDAM, but at the moment I don't see that pictures of the Habsburg-Tuscany branch there, only red crosses...a pity.

Thanks for telling. The pictures are back!!

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Re: Archduke Leopold Salvator of Tuscany (1863-1931),his family and descendants
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2008, 08:20:18 AM »
Nice picture! Where did you get it??



Ebay I think.

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Re: Archduke Leopold Salvator of Tuscany (1863-1931),his family and descendants
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2008, 01:52:02 PM »
Thank you all for the interesting infos, especially the longer text on the life of Archduke Carlo Pio. That's very interesting with the carlist succession question, but strange and a bit unusal to me, because the descendance is only over the female line.

I found this picture on the Mardam site (thanks- yes, the pictures are back!!!) and  it shows Carlo Pio with that typical hat of the Carlists...

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« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2008, 01:42:55 PM »
She was infanta of Spain, but from the carlist branch of the Bourbon family, so she is an unknown figure to me...I wish to know more about her life in Vienna as archduchess by marriage. Pictures are welcome too...I just have seen a few pictures of her as a young woman.