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Re: Operas About the Romanovs
« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2004, 04:41:00 PM »
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The song Nasdrovia is from the musical by Michael Rapp. Greer Firestone has a beautiful novel of Aleksey, it's my favorite Romanov fiction book because it accurately portrays his personality.

Unfortunately I don't know all the words to "The World Outside" from the other musical. but it is adorable. I heard it on mp3.com, perhaps you'll have luck finding it again. The refrain is cute.

"As we sail through the world outside, sailing, sal through the world outside!"


Hi Angie,
    I heard the bit of Aleksey's song that you IMed to me the other night.  It is very sweet and innocent, but also sad at the same time.  

    As for my thoughts on the musicals on the Romanvs, I think the idea is not that great.  Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber is a great producer of musicals and he certainly has a lot of amazings ones under his belt such as "The Phantom Of The Opera" and "Evita" but, the story of Nikolai II and his family in my opinion is not musical material.  I guess I can't see them breaking into a musical number while in captivity.  

Anyhow, that's my two cents on the subject.

Dasha

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« Reply #46 on: July 11, 2004, 05:27:14 PM »
Hi, Angie, Dasha and all:  

Thank you for your replies.  I have found the mp3 source for 'The World Outside' for anyone else interested.  It is a fragment found here:

www.rasputintherealityshow.com

I used to try to write all sorts of things before my religious conversion, including fragments of an opera libretto centered around N+A and Alexei... before I decided the story of their lives was too big and too complicated to reduce to opera or oratorio - both very Western-civilization based artistic concepts that don't really suit the subject of an Orthodox Tsar and his family confronted by Bolsheviks and the brutality of some 20th century value shifts.  I destroyed everything I had come up with some time ago.

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Re: Operas About the Romanovs
« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2004, 02:13:56 AM »
Songs are amazing things. They're like little aside monologues/sililoquoys that allow the audience to hear and feel what the character is feeling.

Take for example Les Miserables. Few musicals can deliver the emotional power that this one does, and it mostly lies in the solo numbers. Like Javert singing just before his suicide. Were we to simply watch a film on Les Mis, and not hear such powerful words, even if they are just paraphrased and spoken instead of sung, we wouldn't know why he's killing himself because he let Valjean go. And Marius' song, one of my all-time favorite pieces in history, how else would we be able to feel his pain at losing his friends, and the guilt of being the "only survivor?"

"Oh, my friends, my friends, don't ask me what your sacrifice was for!"

Those words are haunting enough without the music, but the mourning bassline makes you feel the pain even moreso, not to mention the actual tone of the singer helps too, a great deal.

When choosing the perfect Phantom for Phantom of the Opera coming out in September, someone on IMDB put it perfectly:

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Just ask the actor to sing this:
"You alone can make my song take flight, it's over now, the music of the night."

Whoever has the best emotion singing that is your man for the Phantom.

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Re: Operas About the Romanovs
« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2004, 04:15:21 PM »
Vive_HIH-Aleksey, I couldn't agree more with you.  :)
I think Les Misérables is a quite good example. I think exactly the same. There are so many film adaptations of Les Misérables, but so far there's none (of those I've seen) which in my opinion conveys the essence of the novel as the musical does even though the latter is not always altogether faithful to the text. I think song can often convey much more than the spoken word in a film.


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Re: Operas About the Romanovs
« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2004, 04:29:46 PM »
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Songs are amazing things. They're like little aside monologues/sililoquoys that allow the audience to hear and feel what the character is feeling.

Take for example Les Miserables. Few musicals can deliver the emotional power that this one does, and it mostly lies in the solo numbers. Like Javert singing just before his suicide. Were we to simply watch a film on Les Mis, and not hear such powerful words, even if they are just paraphrased and spoken instead of sung, we wouldn't know why he's killing himself because he let Valjean go. And Marius' song, one of my all-time favorite pieces in history, how else would we be able to feel his pain at losing his friends, and the guilt of being the "only survivor?"

"Oh, my friends, my friends, don't ask me what your sacrifice was for!"

Those words are haunting enough without the music, but the mourning bassline makes you feel the pain even moreso, not to mention the actual tone of the singer helps too, a great deal.

When choosing the perfect Phantom for Phantom of the Opera coming out in September, someone on IMDB put it perfectly:



Hi Angie,

    As always, brilliantly put.  However, I don't think you can really compare "Les Meserables" and "Phantom Of The Opera" to the story of the last Romanovs.  At least in my opinion.  I agree that it takes an amazing actor/singer to play any leading roles in those two musicals, but I think it will take more to play an out-of-this-world Nicky and the rest of the Imperial Family.  

    I agree with you wholeheartedly on songs though.  At times music can say much more then words, and if the emotions can be conveyed through lyrics and a captivating melody, then the comoposer and the lyricist are very gifted indeed.  The best and most memorable numbers in world-class musicals are solos, and I think we all know why that's done.  A poignant solo makes one remember the character even more.

    I'll end my senselss ramble on this note.

Dasha

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Re: Operas About the Romanovs
« Reply #50 on: April 17, 2005, 11:39:00 AM »
In Moscow's New Opera Theater there was a premiere of the Opera "Anastasiya" on 8th of April.
This opera was made by the one Italian young Composer on the base of the Anastasia' s story and the story of Anna Anderson.
I did not go ( I did not know about it later), but
the responses were very good.
The Opera was made by Italian Composer but the
staff was Russian (singers etc,) . Now they went to Italia to present this opera then they are planning to go around Europe.
But the premiere took place in Russia - in the place where Anastasia lived and died.
It seems that they made a CD, so I am going to buy it.
A lot of people said that the music was very good.

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« Reply #51 on: July 27, 2005, 10:24:15 AM »
Has anyone seen the musical "Killing Rasputin", or heard the cast album?  It was originally done in England with French actor Jerome Pradon as rasputin and Meredith Braun as Princess Irina.

The cast album pops up on eBay once in a while and I have always been curious.  I'm a big fan of Meredith Braun.

John

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« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2006, 10:00:07 PM »
LOL, thank God! I was just about to post a topic about the Nicholas and Alexandra play in LA! And this was the very last topic in the films about the Romanovs section.
     I really want to watch the play! Is it still playing? I wish it could be released on DVD or something. I read that the play is based on the love letters of N&A, and starts on the night of the execution, and then they go back in time to the wedding and so on - even Tsar Alexander III comes in! Here are pictures that I found:
- romance
- united family
- anguish over departure
I say they could have done a better job with the actors.

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« Reply #53 on: April 03, 2006, 09:42:12 PM »
Anyhow.......I have seen the Discovery Channel documentary about Nicholas & Alexandra, which I thought wasn't bad. It's called "Last of the Czars", actually & was made in 1996. It gives a more detailed description of Nicholas & Alexandra's life & goes into more detail about how the people turned against the Romanovs. It's more detailed than its equally good (in my opinion) counterpart, "Nicholas & Alexandra" done by A&E Biography.

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« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2006, 09:04:32 PM »
Earlier in the thread Andrew Lloyd Webber was mentioned. All I can say is, that is the WORST thing I could ever dream up, and I know my Broadway shows (recently I was in a production of FOOLS, which lasted 3 days on Broadway, talk about bad). Does anyone else cringe at the thought?

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Re: Operas About the Romanovs
« Reply #55 on: June 22, 2006, 06:11:14 AM »
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LOL, thank God! I was just about to post a topic about the Nicholas and Alexandra play in LA! And this was the very last topic in the films about the Romanovs section.
     I really want to watch the play! Is it still playing? I wish it could be released on DVD or something. I read that the play is based on the love letters of N&A, and starts on the night of the execution, and then they go back in time to the wedding and so on - even Tsar Alexander III comes in! Here are pictures that I found:
- romance
- united family
- anguish over departure
I say they could have done a better job with the actors.
Lovy,
The pictures that you posted come from Drattell's opera "Nicholas and Alexandra". It's not a play. It is not based on N&A's letters (I know because I have studied their entire wartime correspondence thoroughly). It's not even based on facts. And believe me, you don't want to see it. Just read my postings in the same thread and you will get an idea how bad it was. I don't think it will ever be revived, or at least it shouldn't. Both the audiences and the critics hated it. They made a DVD of it even before the show opened in LA, with the hope that it would be a success and then the DVDs will go like hot cakes. The opening, however, was such a disaster that they didn't even dare releasing the DVD. That was almost 3 years ago. Unfortunatelly most of the reviews that came out during the performance of the opera are not on the internet anymore. Some called it the end of American opera. Not because it was daring or difficult to understand or too high-brow. Just the opposite! It was so poorly written, unimaginative, bland, and amateurish. The story line was also very poor and one of the main criticisms was that there were no real characters in the opera and that there was almost no character development. So if you still want to see it watch it at your own risk ;)
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« Reply #56 on: July 05, 2006, 10:06:15 AM »
Fiddler On The Roof was a musical about the pogroms in Tsarist Russia and it was an amazing hit.

Remember?  "God Save and Keep the Tsar... far away from us!"

It does depend on how the subject is handled.

I had to come back and finish my thought.  Fiddler on the Roof was about not just the pograms, but set against the pograms of the tsar and the student uprisings and the red influence.  It was about Jewish life "beyond the Pale' under Nicholas II.  It was full of both saddness and happiness, but in the end the whole town was forced to pack up and move due to the next pogrom issued by the tsar.

As long as a musical about the Romanov murder doesn't end with Yurovsky singing the praises of the Revolution while standing over the pit at Four Brothers (but then there is Les Miserables)...

I thought that Titanic was the wost thing that could be made into a musical, but I was proven to be wrong ( I never saw it but lots of others did and apporoved).

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« Reply #57 on: April 13, 2009, 06:07:01 PM »
I was searching throughout the web and I found out a complete article on an Opera, which is based on the lives of Nicholas, Alexandra and their children, called 'Nicholas and Alexandra'

Here's the link: http://www.andante.com/article/article.cfm?id=22209

It has few pictures and seems to explain the whole thing(I am still reading), so what do you all think?

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« Reply #58 on: April 13, 2009, 07:21:38 PM »
I think  that opera show was around ages ago.  If I remember correctly,  not many people liked it so much.

I 'm not too sure of anything..

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« Reply #59 on: April 13, 2009, 09:05:47 PM »
I think  that opera show was around ages ago.  If I remember correctly,  not many people liked it so much.

I 'm not too sure of anything..

Yes from what the article tells it isn't that good but didn't see it on here, so I posted for those who might like to know about it.