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HRH Prince William and Miss Catherine Middleton
« Reply #571 on: March 31, 2011, 10:00:25 AM »
New stamps of the couple on occasion of their wedding:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c648253ef0147e39088f1970b-pi

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HRH Prince William showing grandparents around
« Reply #572 on: April 04, 2011, 10:20:59 PM »
HM and the Duke made a visit to RAF Valley,Anglesey and were shown around by their grandson William.

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2011/04/william-shows-his-grandparents-around.html

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Watch it Ma'am,you might take off...:

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?page=2&ShowPicture=15287490&pos=15

Oh,and on the wedding.With the wedding fever rising,one London pub found the answer to that.
It has a poster on the window saying:" Keep calm,it's only a wedding"..... ;D

Just three more weeks,the lit will be off the kettle,and the roof of the house...

On a house,the first house Catherine lived in in London for 13 years,is on the market in may
for an estimate 460.000 Pound Sterling.Anyone interested in the old place of the future Queen? :D

 
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Wedding Schedule of HRH Prince William and Miss Catherine Middleton
« Reply #573 on: April 08, 2011, 09:42:34 AM »
The Palace released the wedding schedule:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2011/04/palace-announces-wedding-schedule.html


The Church of England published a prayer especially for William and Catherine:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2011/04/say-a-prayer-for-wills-and-kate.html

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« Reply #575 on: April 11, 2011, 12:51:05 PM »
As an American, I am extremely confused by this wedding.

First, I thought Charles could not succeed without the Commonwealth of Nations unanimously altering the laws of succession?  Why is London so certain he will succeed?  Parliament's laws are not binding on the Commonwealth.

Second, I thought Kate Middelton was a commoner?  I thought the last time this happened, the King had to abdicate, for himself and his children, now and forever?

What gives?  No offense to the happy couple--may they have a long and happy marriage (but, by God William should never be King.)

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« Reply #576 on: April 11, 2011, 02:28:17 PM »
It really is not as complicated as it appears.

Charles will succeed his mother as King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.  Hi position as King in Canada, Australia and other "realms" will be automatic also.  His position as Head of the Commonwealth will have to be ratified by Commonwealth Heads of Government - it is not an automatic post linked to the Crown per se.

Kate Middleton is a commoner, in so much as she is not a relative or closely descended from a ruling house.  The Windsor House rules changed after WWI allowing members of the Royal Family to marry those not born to a Royal Family, including the sons of the sovereign who hitherto had contracted their (legal) marriages with daughters of ruling or princely houses.  Morganatic marriage didn´t really exist in Britain under Queen Victoria as it was so strongly enforced by her continental cousins.  Thus George V son´s married commoners, albeit from noble, landed families.  By law royal marriages must have the consent of Parliament to be valid and allow the royal to maintain their succession rights.

The abdication of Edward VIII came about because he was determined to marry a divorced American (divorce was then something which was a social no no) against the wishes of the British and Empire govenments - he therefore did not have government consent and could not remain King if he chose to marry.  So Edward VIII lost his throne, his succession rights and those of any future children.

William will therefore become King after the demise of his predecessor in the line of Succession (Queen Elizabeth II - Charles, Prince of Wales - Prince William of Wales) as he is due to contract a marriage approved of by The Queen and her Government.

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« Reply #577 on: April 11, 2011, 04:44:24 PM »
Darius, you explain it very well, thank you.  But, I thought to alter the laws of sucession (the act of settlement of 1708?) the entire Commonwealth of Nations has to do so unanimously.  London's parliament altered these laws unilaterally in 1945 and again in the 1970s, and no other members of the Commonwealth of Nations have as of yet agreed?

Charles will be King of the United Kingdoms because Parliament passed laws binding on England, but, I am pretty darned certain if that happens, It will be the end of the Brittish Empire forever.

For Charles to become the King of Canada, Australlia, etc., It would take an act of their parliaments?  And, any one parliament can veto all the others, on this issue?  Arguably, the Laws of London, on this issue, are not Law?

Do I understand you correctly, Canada and Australlia as Dominions are still possessions of the UK and have absolutely no modicum of independence when it comes to non-local legislation?  Has anyone told them this?

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« Reply #578 on: April 12, 2011, 01:19:02 AM »
Darius, you explain it very well, thank you.  But, I thought to alter the laws of sucession (the act of settlement of 1708?) the entire Commonwealth of Nations has to do so unanimously.  London's parliament altered these laws unilaterally in 1945 and again in the 1970s, and no other members of the Commonwealth of Nations have as of yet agreed?

Charles will be King of the United Kingdoms because Parliament passed laws binding on England, but, I am pretty darned certain if that happens, It will be the end of the Brittish Empire forever.

For Charles to become the King of Canada, Australlia, etc., It would take an act of their parliaments?  And, any one parliament can veto all the others, on this issue?  Arguably, the Laws of London, on this issue, are not Law?

Do I understand you correctly, Canada and Australlia as Dominions are still possessions of the UK and have absolutely no modicum of independence when it comes to non-local legislation?  Has anyone told them this?

Charles will be King because he's the Heir to the Throne,c´est ca,and no Commonwealth or any other body will ever change the rules that are
in place since over a thousand years,no body,and nobody.Canada and Oz and NZ are as independent as any other nation,except they
share the same Head of State,ie,Queen Elisabeth II,and in future,giving time to live,King Charles.If they opt otherwise then they should
say so,but for the time being they only rumble to try to get a vote from a certain sort of vox populi,but they fail,time and time again,to
get a majority.Canada a republic?How dull can it get in the America´s... ;D ;D.

Anyway,back to the couple,please try and keep this thread dedicated to Prince William and Miss Catherine Middleton only.
For posts on other members or showing off how much,or little,one knows,please use the subsequent threads.Thank you. :D

Prince William and Miss Catherine Middleton yesterday,I must say,I´m impressed by Miss Middleton,very much so indeed:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2011/04/william-and-kate-finish-their-tour.html

courtesy HJA :)

And,from Canada with love:

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=11-04-2011%20A

courtesy PPE

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« Reply #579 on: April 12, 2011, 03:47:05 AM »
The Act of Settlement 1701 vests the royal succession in the Electress Sophia of Hanover and her non-Catholic descendants, provided they do not marry Catholics. Technically, only Catholics and persons married to Catholics are excluded from the succession, so a Buddhist could be in line to the throne, though he would have to be prepared to swear to uphold the Church of England at his coronation and there would obviously be problems in his being Supreme Governor of the Church of England! The only amendment to the 1701 Act was in 1936, to give effect to Edward VIII's abdication and to exclude him from the succession in the future, along with any children he might have.

Prince Charles is heir apparent under the terms of the Act of Settlement and will succeed automatically to the British throne and the thrones of Canada etc on the Queen's death, unless he makes a renunciation beforehand. Amending the Act of Settlement would need the approval of those Commonwealth countries.

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« Reply #581 on: April 13, 2011, 08:22:58 PM »
Kalafrana, thank you for clarifying my erroneous understanding of how it all works.

Sorry for any consternation or offense my posts probably caused.

Congratulations to the betrothed and the People of England on this their happy day.  I really do wish them all the best.

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« Reply #582 on: April 13, 2011, 09:19:08 PM »
Prince William and Kate are a lovely couple. She is very beautiful and will make an exquisite bride. I liked the silver coin in color. It is the nicest I've seen.

Thank you Lucien for keeping us up to date. Will the ceremony be seen internationally on television like Charles and Diana wedding was?

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« Reply #583 on: April 14, 2011, 03:59:24 AM »
Prince William and Kate are a lovely couple. She is very beautiful and will make an exquisite bride. I liked the silver coin in color. It is the nicest I've seen.

Thank you Lucien for keeping us up to date. Will the ceremony be seen internationally on television like Charles and Diana wedding was?

Oh yes,sure,it will be broadcast everywhere in Europe and elsewhere,2 billion people will watch is the estimate.
To be compared with what Sweden pulled off last year,yes,alltho that was an exceptional fantastic,and the longest
ever broadcast as it wasn't until 01.00 AM here before it stopped.And Victoria and Daniels thread here on AP drew
several thousand and some forum members and lurkers alike in one single day.

If you might find difficulty to watch it all live in the US,then just tune in to the AP as several here will provide a continuous
report on links to follow directly through the BBC for example as well as a "barrage" of photo's and video's all day long,just
like we did with Victoria and Daniel last year.I get up when Catherine and the UK wakes up,as will Rani I'm sure...grin..and
then I start with what is really news or otherwise worthwhile for all of us here.So tune in here to make sure you don't miss
out on anything that day.

Sweden ofcourse was an Heir but this is about the 2nd in line to the Throne and therefore sits on a different level in protocol.
You will see Heirs and some Spares,40 all in all,but no Reigning Royals like Queen Margrethe or Queen Beatrix for example.
That is in line with the protocol for 2nd's...grin..

I don't know how broadcasts go in the US tho,PBS maybe?Otherwise you have these annoying commercial intervals
and you miss halve the ceremony,or watch it long after it all happened,pity too.Just pop in here,we will have it all!!
All you all out there have to do is to have boxes of Kleenex stand-by ;D

BTW,for the Mods.I would like to suggest to start a William and Catherine Wedding Thread and place it under "Sticky" as
that worked great last year too with Victoria and Daniels wedding,it's so much easyer to find for all who tune in here.
Thank you in advance!! ;) :)

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« Reply #584 on: April 14, 2011, 11:29:33 AM »
Kalafrana, thank you for clarifying my erroneous understanding of how it all works.  Sorry for any consternation or offense my posts probably caused. Congratulations to the betrothed and the People of England on this their happy day.  I really do wish them all the best.

Captrips - I'll send you a private message with some additional information that will hopefully help you understand how / why the succession in the commonwealth realms matches the British succession.  Hopefully that will help.