Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, Part II

[Alexander1917]

Here I am again, stupid to the end......but what is a GCVO and a KG??

Arleen

GCVO means Grand Cross Victorian Order...Order given by the sovereign for support of the monachy

KG means Knight of the Garter (Most noble order of the Garter) only 24 living members, given by the soveriegn (WITHOUT parliament!!)

[Tdora1]

Dmitri: Most of the "current Queen's realms" were granted independence during the 50's and 60's. Something known as WWII was the single most decisive factor in the breakdown of the British Empire - a concept which struggled to survive the upheavals during and following WWI which saw the other Eurpean empires fall. How this can possibly be attributed to Charles and Camilla quite frankly has me contemplating speed typing with my forehead.

[Tdora1]

The difference IMO between the attitudes towards Fergie and Camilla is that the former has brought her troubles and resultant approbation upon herself by persistant and wilful public indiscretion. Camilla has maintain her silence and in the long run, her dignity. Furthermore, Camilla is married to the man who divorced a Princess - mother of the heir and spare - who was extremely popular, whose fragile psyche appealed to large segments of the population, who was ultimately unable to reconcile her conflicts and who died suddenly and tragically. In other words, a tough act to follow. Her love and support for Charles is as evident as is Fergie's love for money, publicity and opportunism.

[dmitri]

Tdora1 the Queens Realms that are important apart from the United Kingdom are Canada, Australia and New Zealand. They were all granted independence way before world war one. It is the lack of respect for Charles and Camilla which is undermining the monarchy. Elizabeth II still is very much respected. It is the future that is the problem after she is gone. Fergie is the past. She has not been royal for a very long time. She was also never wife of the heir to the throne and could only have ever been in that situation if a major tragedy had occurred bringing about the deaths of Charles, William and Henry. She is not part of the royal family. The UK Labor think tank is completely weird. Mind you multiculturalism has not worked anywhere particularly well. It undermines the dominant culture and supports all the immigrants. It has been a complete disaster. Let us all hope it doesn't end up in brutal civil war. The UK is nominally a Christian country. Mind you Christmas has largely now become a tasteless commercial exercise. It is a sorry state of affairs.

[ChristineM]

Without massive changes in our Constitution, Charles will be Head of the Church of England and Camilla will be his Queen Consort.   Politicians now admit that it will take an Act of Parliament to make Camilla 'Princess Consort'.   When Charles accedes the throne, Camilla will be Queen - irrespective of what spin Clarence House put on the subject.

tsaria

[Adagietto]

This doesn't strike me as being a major problem, she can be addressed as the monarch wishes, and if parliamentary approval is required to cover any technical points, why should that present any difficulty? For if Camilla is not be called Queen, that will only because the public would not be sufficiently agreed in accepting her as such, and politicians are generally happy to follow the current on such matters. If the Queen lives for many more years, it may not come to that anyhow. I don't think the Prince of Wales' interest in Islam has anything whatever to do with courting popularity among the immigrant population; he is genuinely interested in the rich spiritual traditions and artistic culture of Islam. And it is surely essential for us all to seek common ground if the Islamists (who represent only one strain in Islam) are to be sidelined.

[Leuchtenberg]

Without massive changes in our Constitution, Charles will be Head of the Church of England and Camilla will be his Queen Consort.   Politicians now admit that it will take an Act of Parliament to make Camilla 'Princess Consort'.   When Charles accedes the throne, Camilla will be Queen - irrespective of what spin Clarence House put on the subject.

tsaria

That is right. She WILL be Queen Camilla.  Anyone who thought otherwise was either naive or stupid, or both.  Regardless of the fact that the woman repulses me, if she is entitled to be "Duchess of Cornwall", then she is certainly entitled to be "Princess of Wales" and subsequently "Queen".   Because her marriage to Charles was allowed it gave her all of that. The absurd title of "Princess Consort" is nothing more than pablum to make her more digestible to the public. 

The bottom line is that if you're good between the sheets with an affluent businessman, you'll get a car and maybe a house out of it.  And in this instance if you're good between the sheets with The Prince of Wales, you DO get to become Queen.

[Belochka]

Without massive changes in our Constitution, ...
tsaria

The United Kingdom does not have a written Constitution document.

Margarita

[TampaBay]

Without massive changes in our Constitution, ...
tsaria

The United Kingdom does not have a written Constitution document.

Margarita

Once QEII passes the UK must have one to protect the liberty of the individual citizens because QE II will no longer be there to to do it for them---which as or is sher job.

A job she has done very well IMO!!!



Tampabay

[Belochka]

Without massive changes in our Constitution, ...
tsaria

The United Kingdom does not have a written Constitution document.

Margarita

Once QEII passes the UK must have one to protect the liberty of the individual citizens because QE II will no longer be there to to do it for them---which as or is sher job.

A job she has done very well IMO!!!

Tampabay

Absolutely, Queen Elizabeth II is doing a splendid job and one can admire her diplomacy and determination to remain Queen as long as her health permits.

Margarita

[Eric_Lowe]

The Queen is "the safe pairs of hands" right now. Any change may spark contraversey. Long may she reign ! 

[Robert_Hall]

"protect the liberty of individual citizens"? Where do you get that? The sovereign's  function is to legitimitise her governments.  In turn, Parlaiment  ensures the legitimacy of the sovereign. If any liberties are ensured or curtailed, it is the government, not the sovereign to do it. The only words to come out of the mouth of the monarch are written by the government. Britain may not have a single written constitution, but it does have  one- in the form of laws passed by Parlaiment and ensured by the courts.
 The Queen has done an admirable job in her 55 years on the throne, and I certainly wish her more years, but I am not at all hopefull for a future reign by the repbrobates to come. Unless their is a massive show of mourning for the loss of a British icon, I think a collapse of support for the monarchy itself may come about.

[Belochka]

"....  but I am not at all hopefull for a future reign by the repbrobates to come. Unless their is a massive show of mourning for the loss of a British icon, I think a collapse of support for the monarchy itself may come about.

There will be a "massive show of mourning" all over the Commonwealth, from London to Sydney and Ottawa to name a few. However IMO that genuine sadness will also include the despair and uncertainty of what may follow.

Margarita

[Adagietto]

"The bottom line is that if you're good between the sheets with an affluent businessman, you'll get a car and maybe a house out of it.  And in this instance if you're good between the sheets with The Prince of Wales, you DO get to become Queen."

I find this distressingly vulgar. There is all the difference in the world between a sexual fling and an enduring love; and it must be obvious to anyone that Prince Charles loves Camilla very much.

[Grace]

There is all the difference in the world between a sexual fling and an enduring love; and it must be obvious to anyone that Prince Charles loves Camilla very much.

I wouldn't say it's obvious necessarily that Prince Charles 'loves' Camilla very much.  I think he needs her very much on his own terms but I'm not sure if it's exactly 'love' the way I would think of love...

Adagietto, let's not get vulgar here but let's not tiptoe around it either - they might be married now but Camilla's hold over Charles for many years was said to be in the main of a sexual nature - have you forgotten a certain phone call?  Married men don't sneak off to another woman just to talk, you know...