Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, Part II

[Jessamy]

Maybe the PR hacks have been working wonders in Britain but in Canada and Australia she is seen as a vindictive and self serving person, willing to do almost anything for power.  

Please don't speak on behalf of Canada. We all have differing opinions. I for one like Camillla and apparently the future King does too.

[Constantinople]

Well then let me let CBC do the speaking
Two polls of Canadians ahead of their arrival suggested the popularity of both Charles and the monarchy were low in the country.

A Harris-Decima poll released Nov. 2 found only 31 per cent of respondents believed Charles should be the next king, while a poll commissioned by Canadian friends of the Royal Family in October found 60 per cent of Canadians felt a constitutional monarchy was outdated.

And a lot of this is due to Camilla

[Lindelle]

 Australia she is seen as a vindictive and self serving person, willing to do almost anything for power.  .

Wrong, wrong, wrong, so badly and sadly mistakenly wrong!

[jehan]

Well then let me let CBC do the speaking
Two polls of Canadians ahead of their arrival suggested the popularity of both Charles and the monarchy were low in the country.

A Harris-Decima poll released Nov. 2 found only 31 per cent of respondents believed Charles should be the next king, while a poll commissioned by Canadian friends of the Royal Family in October found 60 per cent of Canadians felt a constitutional monarchy was outdated.

And a lot of this is due to Camilla

Please provide some evidence that this is due to Camilla, and not to the general trend away from the British heritage, as Canada becomes a country with more and more people from other heritages and traditions.  It is more a general trend here and in other Commonwealth countries that has been going on since long before Camiilla appeared on the scene.

And you don't speak for this Canadian ( or for most others that I know).

[Constantinople]

then state your exception
there is plenty of proof if you want to look for it.  If you disagree with that statement show me some proof that Canadians are embracing Camilla and moving towards monarchism because Camilla is so popular in Canada.  Just because you disagree doesnt mean that you are correct and if Camilla is so popular in Canada, where were the crowds to welcome her when she came to Canada?  The reality is that the number of people who greeted Camilla were extremely low.  So I would say to you the same thing, show me the proof she is popular in Canada.  And I am sure there will be exceptions, they tend to prove the rule.

[Constantinople]

And Lindelle, if you like Camilla, it doesnt prove the fact that a substantial number of Australians loathe her.

[Adagietto]

So, 60% of Canadians think a constitutional monarchy is outdated 'and a lot of this is due to Camilla'. Sounds logical, doesn't it? And in fact, I simply don't believe it. This is a pefectly natural development in a country which presently has a foreign head of state, and I doubt that that the popularity of the heir, let alone his wife, would make a difference of more than a very few percentage points. Far more a long-term trend than a matter of personalities. Here in the UK the figures for people who would prefer a republic to a monarchy have been virtually unchanged since the war. The British monarchy will survive in Britain, but not outside Britain, where we can developments after the death of the Queen. In the UK, any danger to the monarchy will arise more from lack of interest than the unpopularity of specific members.

[Jessamy]

Calling her unpopular is one thing. I totally agree that she is unpopular in Canada.  I think the case in a lot of Canadians is siimply indifference.  But to call her a vindictive, power hungry woman who uses psychological manipulation, and causes psycho sexual dependency in her husband is a colourful claim that is just impossible to back up.

[Constantinople]

It wasnt my analysis.  It came from people who had close contact with her for several years.

[CHRISinUSA]

Constantinople, once again you cannot stop yourself from throwing out opinions as if they were obvious facts and then attacking anyone who disagrees with you by demanding they substantiate their opposing views (even though you never substantiated your original points in the first place).  Cases in point....

1. It wasnt my analysis.  It came from people who had close contact with her for several years.
If you wish to use other people as a source, please cite their names and quote the publication in which it was reported. 

2. There is plenty of proof if you want to look for it.  If you disagree with that statement show me some proof that Canadians are embracing Camilla and moving towards monarchism because Camilla is so popular in Canada.
It is you who needs to show proof since you were the one who submitted the opposing view in the first place.

3.  A Harris-Decima poll released Nov. 2 found only 31 per cent of respondents believed Charles should be the next king, while a poll commissioned by Canadian friends of the Royal Family in October found 60 per cent of Canadians felt a constitutional monarchy was outdated. And a lot of this is due to Camilla
The last sentence is not supported by any cited facts, it is merely your opinion.

4.  In Australia she is seen as a vindictive and self serving person, willing to do almost anything for power.
Strong statement - please cite your source.

5.  I would describe it as an unhealthy emotional or psycho sexual dependency and probably extremely close to the one Edward developed for Wallace Simpson
This statement is utter libel - you have no substantiation for this claim and as it is so inflammatory and personally attacking, you should retract this immediately.

And they go on and on and on.

[Constantinople]

and they probably will as long as people making fatuous statements about liking her purely on the basis that she has royal status.  Noone has actually provided proof that disputes what I say, merely subjective statements and if you cannot see a difference in objectivity between Harris Decima and the Friends of the Royal Society, your expensive education has been rather wasted.

[Adagietto]

So you pass on malicious gossip (evidently your mother never taught you that you shouldn't do that) and if people can't provide proof that it is untrue or exaggerated, we have to accept it all as being true!

In my experience, when people talk in such an extremely uncharitable way about another person, and get indignant when other people are not inclined to 'loathe' her, it says more about their own psychology than the psychology of the person whom they are setting out to criticize.

[Constantinople]

My sources are accurate and I wouldnt call it gossip anymore than what you are spreading is propaganda.  If you like her that is one thing but  don't try to convince me that she is a great person.

[Robert_Hall]

Constantinople- why are you so obsessed with hatred of the Duchess ?  I do not care for her either, but she  does nothing  to influence anything, she is , IMO not clever enough anyway. No one is saying she draws pop star crowds, just that some happen to like her and she not a cypher in the republic bedates and swing towards that movement. Has has been mentioned several times, those debates have been going on  far longer than she has been around.  I can't imagine any change of a political system depends on the popularity or lack of, of an obscure duchess from the horsey set.  She does her duty as the wife of the POW and leaves it at that. Although, I did think she was quite sincere in her   appearances  honouring the British force  in the recent military week.
 And, I do not think there was a massive PR  job for her from Clarence House.  If there was,   we missed it. She is treated mercilessly by the press, especially the tabloids.
 As I have mentioned before,  none of my UK friends [and I have a considerable community of such, after all these year] pay any attention to her one way or the other.  None that know actually like her, but they do not waste time going on about her.
 Also, you know the rules here about not insulting  other members OR living members of theRoyal Family. I think you have crossed bot lines.

[Lindelle]

As I have mentioned before,  none of my UK friends [and I have a considerable community of such, after all these year] pay any attention to her one way or the other.  None that know actually like her, but they do not waste time going on about her.
 Also, you know the rules here about not insulting  other members OR living members of theRoyal Family. I think you have crossed bot lines.

That goes for me as well, same from where I'm standing in Australia.
Thankyou Robert.