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Eric_Lowe

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« Reply #180 on: March 15, 2010, 03:38:36 PM »
You can also add to the discussion-minus the personal comments. That would be welcome to all too.  ;)

I guess I am a bit old fashioned. The Princess Margaret auction was a bit badly handled (the Princess's portrait was eventually bought back by her son who recieve plenty of bad press). I think I prefer the way that Marina, Duchess of Kent and later her daughters-in-law (Katherine & Marie Christine)'s quiet dispoal of their jewels and valuables. It was more tastefully done.I also read somewhere that when Princess Victoria of Wales ("Toria") died, her jewels were also quietly sold (those who were not inheirited by the Kents or taken back the the family collection by Queen Mary).

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« Reply #181 on: March 15, 2010, 03:49:25 PM »
I have no idea which pieces of Toria's jewellery were sold. It was not a case of the Kents and Queen Mary getting everything else! QEQM got Toria's fringe tiara!

 

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« Reply #182 on: March 15, 2010, 03:55:42 PM »
It was revealed as a possible source of the Duchess of Windsor's superb emeralds in Suzy Menkes's book. According to her the only way that those emeralds could have belonged to Queen Alexandra was that it was the loose stones that was given to the Queen by an Indian Prince. Toria inherited the bag of loose emeralds (unset) and sold it. Cartier bought the bag and advertised them as royal and the Duke of Windsor bought it for his duchess. It was this route that seem to indicate that a sale of Toria's goods "may" have taken place.

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Re: Windsor Jewels Pt 7
« Reply #183 on: March 15, 2010, 05:20:22 PM »
From other threads re: the emeralds (posts were originally by me):

"Here's an interesting article on the subject of the Duke & Duchess of Windsor jewel theft:

http://www.etoile.co.uk/Columns/RoyalScribe/040329.html

The pertinent part about the emeralds:

"The rumor goes that when Princess Alexandra of Denmark arrived in England in 1863, she carried with her a valuable collection of uncut emeralds, given to her as a gift from the Danish people. According to the scandalmongers, the then Prince of Wales had inherited these emeralds from Alexandra for the purpose of passing them down to his future wife, the next queen of England. Speculation over the story came to a head just before the abdication when, it was claimed, Wallis’ divorce attorney was sent to retrieve the emeralds from her in Cannes....Even Lady Dudley, the duke and duchess’s hostess at Ednam Lodge, was later quoted as saying that the stolen jewelry box had contained “HRH’s (the duke’s) fantastic collection of Fabergé boxes and a great many uncut emeralds which I believe belonged to Queen Alexandra.” 

Shortly after the robbery, the story once again captured the public imagination and gave rise to the theory that the royal family had orchestrated the robbery in an attempt to recover the emeralds once and for all.  With little regard to the evidence of the case and with no confirmation that the emeralds had ever even existed, the theory was generally considered to have merit and plagued the duke and duchess throughout their lives. To the modern observer, however, the holes in this theory are glaring.

To begin with, Lady Dudley’s claim that the stolen jewelry box contained “uncut emeralds” that had belonged to Queen Alexandra is ridiculous, as it is highly unlikely that, if they even existed, such important emeralds would have remained uncut for 80 years, especially in the hands of the flashy Duchess of Windsor. Even if the stones had been cut and put into settings, they don’t appear to have been in her jewelry box. The official list of stolen jewels, which was provided to police and the insurance company, includes only one emerald – a ring consisting of a relatively small 7.81-carat square cut stone. Historical accounts of the robbery place a great deal of emphasis on the fact that the list contained the word ‘etcetera,’ and imply that this was a tactic by the duke and duchess to obscure their possession of the emeralds. Perhaps, but it is more likely that ‘etcetera’ was a reference to the mates of the some 18 unmatched earrings recovered on the Sunningdale golf course the following day. 

The smaller details out of the way, we can address one of the foundations of the original rumor – that the duke had inherited the emeralds from his grandmother. In fact, Queen Alexandra died intestate in 1925, and her three remaining children – Queen Maud of Norway, Princess Victoria of Wales and King George V (along with Queen Mary) – met together at Sandringham to divide all of her belongings in equal portions among them. Since many of the jewels Alexandra had worn in her lifetime had been considered held in trust for future queens of England, only her truly private collection of jewels remained. If there had been a large cache of important emeralds among her remaining jewels, it’s doubtful that Queen Mary – who had a mania for jewels – would have let go of them so readily, especially to a son she considered irresponsible. Some of the most important emeralds in the present queen’s collection – the Cambridge emeralds and Delhi Durbar emeralds – were acquired by Queen Mary and carefully passed down to her granddaughter. 

Whatever was passed to the then Prince of Wales from Alexandra’s belongings came to him via his parents and would have been a matter of public record, at least among the royal family. In fact, it was no secret that Alexandra’s collection of Fabergé boxes, which was stored in the duchess’s jewelry box and had been abandoned during the robbery on one of the windowsills at Ednam Lodge, had been passed down to him after her death. 

But if these explanations leave any doubt in the mind, Leslie Field solidly debunks the myth of “Alexandra’s emeralds” and offers a conclusive end to the story in “The Queen’s Jewels: The Personal Collection of Elizabeth II.”  Field, whose extensive research into the queen’s collection was helped along by Her Majesty’s Household, confirmed that the precise records of the wedding gifts given to the Victorian Prince and Princess of Wales did not include “a great many uncut emeralds.” There is no doubt that Alexandra received many precious gems upon her marriage, emeralds included, but they were all set into various pieces of jewelry, and there is no record of anything like Lady Dudley and others had suggested. ""

a letter to the Editor to Time magazine in 1937 about the Duke of Windsor, a write wrote in this:

"he dismissed hundreds of employees at Balmoral & Sandringham, and sold off everything on these properties which was salable, and with the money thus saved and raised, he bought priceless emeralds for Mrs. Simpson. These emeralds were the property of Queen Alexandra who left them to Princess Victoria, who in turn sold them to Garrard's of Bond Street, where King Edward bought them. . . .As to the emeralds, I should have added that Garrard's the jewelers who bought them from Princess Victoria, sent them to Cartier's in Paris, and it was actually Cartier's who made the sale, on behalf of Garrard's to King Edward. As I said before, these stones are very large and magnificent, but have many flaws. The lady who gave me this information, is a personal friend of Queen Mary and members of the Royal Family, but I cannot tell you her name.

May I suggest to you that the lady who will be very much in the eye of society, if not the public, will be the Hon. Mrs. Ronald Greville, a very rich lady, who has always been very much with the new King & Queen (indeed their honeymoon was spent at Polesden Lacey, her country house) and who is supposed to have named the Queen as her eventual heiress.

E. A. L. BENNETT Paris, France  "

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« Reply #184 on: March 15, 2010, 06:31:07 PM »
Indeed. The emeralds were supposed to be sold off by Princess Victoria (which was part of the inheritance from her mother) to the Bond Street jeweller. Which bring us back to the present topic here which is disposing jewelry privately and quietly rather than a big public sale like one of Princess Margaret's jewels.

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« Reply #185 on: March 16, 2010, 12:46:34 AM »
In fact, Queen Alexandra died intestate in 1925, and her three remaining children – Queen Maud of Norway, Princess Victoria of Wales and King George V (along with Queen Mary) – met together at Sandringham to divide all of her belongings in equal portions among them.

Her daughter Louise was living at the time, she died in 1931.  Why was she not present and was she excluded from a share?

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« Reply #186 on: March 16, 2010, 07:19:54 AM »
Louise was still recovering from a the effects of a gastric hemorrhage which she suffered earlier in the year! She was apparently unable to attend the procession and public obsequies at Sandringham which we covered in some detail last year!

Louise was defiantly not present at Sandringham for the jewel division either!

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« Reply #187 on: March 16, 2010, 08:54:39 AM »
Well. I am sure Queen Mary, Queen Maud and Princess Victoria would reserve a share for Louise.

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« Reply #188 on: March 16, 2010, 09:54:08 AM »
Margot, Louise did attend her mothers funeral did she not? Sad to think she only lived 6 years longer after her mother!
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« Reply #189 on: March 16, 2010, 10:57:52 AM »
Louise (or at least her daughters) certainly received a share.Maud Carnegie had the sapphire suite (tiara,dogcollar etc )and the amtheysts which were all sold just after her death in 1945.

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« Reply #190 on: March 16, 2010, 11:00:32 AM »
Indeed. The emeralds were supposed to be sold off by Princess Victoria (which was part of the inheritance from her mother) to the Bond Street jeweller. Which bring us back to the present topic here which is disposing jewelry privately and quietly rather than a big public sale like one of Princess Margaret's jewels.
Personally I cannot see what is wrong with a auction....if one has no use for items or is in need of cash....isnt it better to sell them for as much as possible....

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« Reply #191 on: March 16, 2010, 11:22:56 AM »
I think that is why I comment that I am a bit old fashioned to hold this view. Viscount Linley wasn't strap for cash, but the auction was a bit like Jackie O's. Don't know how the princess herself would have felt about it. I think it is more tastefully done by Marina and the older royals (like Toria).

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« Reply #192 on: March 16, 2010, 02:36:01 PM »
Eddie, Louise was certainly not at Sandringham with the rest of the family when Queen Alexandra's body was transferred to London. I tend to think she would have been at Windsor for the burial though! At least one assumes she was!

As to the later division of the jewels, Ashdean is quite right, Maud S. got the sapphire and diamonds as well as the amethyst tiara so perhaps Louise and her siblings discussed choices before the latter sat down and did the deed in 1926. As one hardly ever sees of pictures of the Fife girls wearing lots of jewels, it is hard to ascertain what Alix Connaught may have inherited. The only reason we know that Maud S. inherited the sapphire and diamond necklace was because it was sold after her death and not because we have photographic evidence of her wearing it! She did wear the amethysts to the coronation in 1937!

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« Reply #193 on: March 20, 2010, 11:04:51 PM »
I am sure this was discussed ages ago but I often wonder about Queen Alexandra's wonderful necklace with the bows and sheaths of what look like mini wheat ears that was at one stage linked to a necklace worn by the present Princess Royal! The necklace was I believe part of a collier de chien and was incredibly beautiful and delicate in design! Does anyone know what happened to it as I am certain Queen Magpie never got her paws on it like she did the Cartier Collier resille!

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« Reply #194 on: April 03, 2010, 04:16:37 AM »
Victoria and Louise with their mother - Victoria wearing the pearl tassel.





A close-up and Princess Mary wearing the tassel.



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I wonder if this belonged to Queen Victoria? She is wearing one in her portrait "Queen Victoria in mourning" by Von Angeli.
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