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Offline JamesAPrattIII

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #75 on: August 03, 2012, 05:00:17 PM »
Oops! it should be GDS Helen V and Maria A
more on OMA regiments:
ON's 3rd Hussars part of the 3rd cavalry division which in Feb 1915 was part of the russian 10th Army which got badly mauled in the 2nd battle of the Masurian lakes during this month when it got hit with a major german offensive.
the 3rd hussars in mar 1917 was part of the Russian 6th army down in Rumania on the 19th of this month the men formed a soldier council and the unit turned into a mob
OM 9th Dragoons part of the 9th cavalry division it depot or reserve units were in the St Petersburg area when the Feb/mar 1917 revolution broke out. This division did open fire at first on the protesters then later joined them.
AN 148th Infantry  Pvt Makukh of this unit was the first man in the russian army in WW I to win all 4 St George Crosses he also recieved 500 roubles

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #76 on: August 03, 2012, 06:03:40 PM »
JamesAPrattIII , fascinating infomation ! Thanks for posting !

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« Reply #77 on: August 05, 2012, 07:25:38 AM »
500 roubles. It makes yoiu think. About £50 at the pre-war exchange rate. A decent sum for an ordinary Russian, or, indeed, for a British Private on a shilling a day. George Coppard, whose book 'With a Machine Gun to Cambrai', records that when he was discharged as a full Corporal in 1919, having joined under age in August 1919, he got a gratuity of £28 and a Private with the same service got £20.

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« Reply #78 on: August 06, 2012, 06:31:27 AM »
Interesting infomation! Thank you for posting!

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« Reply #79 on: August 19, 2012, 08:02:49 PM »
I have some more: AN's regiment the 148th caspian Infantry was part of the 37th infantry division of the XVIII corps at the begining of 1917 I believe. Here is what have found out about the XVIII corps:
A report dated 23 june 1917 do to Bolo agitation in 2 regiments in the XVIII corps there was a mass refusal to move into position. (and does not take part in the Kerensky offensive)
A Austrian report dated 2 January 1918 mentions a number of russian units having disolved one was the XVIII corps most likely the 148th Caspian Infantry did not exhist after this date.
Other units:
1st HIH GDS Anastasia M Khoper rgt (Cossak) 1st Caucusus Cossak Div
Kubansky Platunsky Brigade Cossack infantry
Battalions:
1st HIH General-Feldzeugmeiser GD Michael N
2nd HIH GDS Olga N
3rd Alexei
4th HIH GD George M (?)
5th HIH GD Boris V (?)
6th  Nicholas II
This Brigade was part of the first Caucasian Corps at the start of WW I and I believe it fought on the caucasian front for all of WW I
I hope this is of some use.

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« Reply #80 on: September 12, 2012, 08:10:42 PM »
I have done some more research on OTNA's regiments and here it is:
AN 148th Caspian formed in 1863 from the 48th Odessa regiment. In 1877 it took part in the Russo-Turkish war in August of that year in marched into Bulgaria as part of the 37th Infantry division XVI no doubt it took part in the siege of Plevna and the other battle conected with it.
In September 1904 the regiment arrived in Manchuria as part of the 37th inf Div I corps. This unit fought in the battle of Shake river, Sandepu, and Mukden
TN: 8th Vozhshak Lancers was formed in 1833 from the 3rd Bug Lancers which was formed in 1817 as part of the seperate corps of milary settlements in Kherson provence
In 1853 it took part in the Danube campaign during the Crimean war
In March 1877 during the Russo-Turkish war the unit marched into Bulgaria as part of the Army of the South commanded by Grand Duke Nichlos Nichclovich the elder no doubt it to part in the great siege of Plevna and the other battles conected with it
WW I
August 1914 4th army
Sept. 9th army
Nov 2nd army Novikov Cavalry corps
Dec 2nd army I Cavalry corps battle of Lodz
Feb 15 12 army ICC (cavalry corps)
Oct 15 1st army I CC
Mar 16 Group Pleshkov VII CC battle of lake Naroch? I am not sure of this
May 16 1st army possibly I CC?
Jun 16 Western front reserve
Sept 16 Danube army IV corps

I am glad somebody like my research I will post some more when I get it.

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #81 on: September 13, 2012, 05:12:04 PM »
MN: 9th Kazan Dragoons:
1801 Kazan Cuirassiers converted to Dragoons
The regiment was at the 1807 battle of Eylau and a number of other battles and campaigns of the Napolianic wars
Crimean war: 16 aug 1855 battle of Tchermaya there was the 6th Kazan dragoons which is most likely this unit in the II Reserve cavalry Corps
Russo turkish war: went into Bulgaria with the Army of the South commanded by grand Duke Nicholas N the elder. No doubt it took part in the siege of plevna and the other action conected with it.
WW I:
Aug 14 3rd Army
Feb 15 11 th army siege of Przemysl
May 1915 8th army
Sep 1915 9th army II Cavalry corps
Jun 1916 7th army II Cavalry corps brussilov offensive
Sep 1916 7th army army reserve

1st Kuban plastun bde :
Nov 1914 Caucusus army II Turkistan corps
December 1914 Caucusus army I caucusus corps
Sep 1915 9th army XXXIII corps
oct 1915   "      "      "         "

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #82 on: September 13, 2012, 05:38:20 PM »
ON: 3rd Yevsatgrad hussars formed 1784
2nd Turkish war 1787-91 Yekaterinslav army Prince Potemkin battles of Ochakov, Bendert, and Kilim
1792 poland battle of Ostrog
1794 Poland battles of Szczekocin,Maiejowice, praga
1805-07 battles of Austerliz, Monrugen, Wolsdorp and Eylau was under the command of Count von Buxhoeveden (most likely one of Isa baroness Sophia Von Buxoeveden relatives)
1812 Lubin , Borodino
1813-1814 campaign
1828-29 turkish war battles of Kulevchia and Adrianople
1831 Polish rebelion igane, Warsaw
1849 hungary battles of Samos and Tur
Crimea at the battle of Tchermaya there is one Order of battle that has the "Elisavetgrad Hussars" there which might be this unit but i doubt it.
On 11 July 1909 Olga N became the honorary colonel of this unit
WW I:
Aug 1914: 1st army
Sept 1914 Northern front reserve
Feb 1915 10th army 2nd battle of the Masurin lakes
Sep 1915 8th army Gillerschimdt cavalry corps
Oct 1915 3rd army IV Cavalry corps
Jun 1916 1st army I cavalry corps
Oct 1916 Danube Army reserve

Note: in the 1881-82 period all non-cossack regiment were converted to Dragoons this was not popular with alot of cavalry officers. Nicholas II brought back Hussars, lancers, ect

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #83 on: September 13, 2012, 10:53:49 PM »
Fascinating info! Thank you!
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Note: in the 1881-82 period all non-cossack regiment were converted to Dragoons this was not popular with alot of cavalry officers. Nicholas II brought back Hussars, lancers, ect
Not surprising it wasn't popular. Regiments are about tradition after all ! 

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« Reply #84 on: September 14, 2012, 03:41:53 AM »
Indeed! Note, however that although the hussar and uhlan regiments reverted to their traditional titles and uniforms, they continued to be equippred as dragoons - i.e. some squadrons had lances, others sabres only, and soldiers carried the dragoon rifle, not cavalry carbines.

All this did not affect the Guard hussar and lancer regiments, who remained hussars and lancers throughout.

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« Reply #85 on: September 20, 2012, 06:20:35 PM »
I am glad everyone likes my postings on OTMAs regiments I have a few more tidbits
ON: the 3rd Husars/3rd Cav Div
Nov 1914 with the 10th army
April 1915 in latvia
Oct-Dec 1916 in Rumania with the 6th (ex Danube) army where at the end of the year this division was fighting along side the 8th cav Div containing the 8th Lancers TN segiment
3rd Hussars regimental holiday feast of the holy trinity
TN: 8th Lancers/ 8th Cav Div in Dec 1916 it was with the 6th army in Rumania and was fighting alongside her sister Olga's regiment/Division
MN: 9th Dragoons/ 9th Cav Div
Oct 1914: with the 8th army
Nov 1914 with the 11th army conducting the siege of Przemysl

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #86 on: October 04, 2012, 06:43:19 PM »


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« Reply #87 on: October 05, 2012, 03:36:35 PM »
Excellent size, Dru! Thanks for posting!

And some interesting information there, James! Thanks!

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« Reply #88 on: October 05, 2012, 06:46:01 PM »
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« Reply #89 on: October 07, 2012, 10:52:57 AM »
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