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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #90 on: October 07, 2012, 05:02:28 PM »
Some more info:
Errata for ON the 3rd Hussars/3 cav div was in Lithuania not latvia in April 1915 as part of the 12th army

I got a book by inter library loan The Imperial Russian army by M Lyons it has a list of the books on the regimental histories here is what it has on OTMA's regiments
AN 148th Caspian IR: Kurbatov (Colonel) Istorieyeskala Paminatka Kaspsitsa 1811-1911 St petersgurg 1911 p121

MN 9th Kazan Dragoons: Shustov (Captain) V.N. Istoripa 25-go Dragunskago Kazanskago Polka 1701-1901" Kiev 1901 p424, 150 copies published

TN 8th Voznesenskii lancers: "Pamiatka Ulana Vozesenskago Eia Imperatorskago Vysochestva Velikoi Kniazhny Tatianiy Nikolaevny Polka" 1911 p8; 
Sokolovski, M.K. "pamiatka 8-go Ulanskago Vozneseskago Eia Imperatskago Uysochestua Velikoi Kniazhny Tatianiy Nikolaevny Polka" Golike and Vilborg 1912 p41

ON 3rd hussars: Osten-Sacken (count) D.E. Oaryvok Letopisi 3-go Gusarskago Elisavet Gradskago Polka" Voenny Sbornin St petersburg No 10 (1870) pages 237-248
Martynov, "Kratkaia Istoricheskaia Pamiatka 3-go  Gusarskago Elisvet Gradskago Eia Imperatskago Vysochtva velikoi Knaigini Ol'ga Nikolaeuny Polka" St petersburg 1 sheet
Sokolvski, M.K. "Pamiatka Elizavetgradskago Gusara" edited by Colonel Martynov p14
Sokolovski M.K. "Paiatka 2-go Gusarskago I.E.V. Vel Kniazhny Ol'ga Nikolaevny Polka" St petersburg 1914

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #91 on: October 07, 2012, 05:28:15 PM »
More on the 1st Kuban Plastun Brigade:
October 1914 I Caucasian Corps
Jan 1915 sent to Akhaltzikhe to pacify the restless Acars (tribesmen)
Feb 1915 V Caucasian Corps to Odessa or the Crimea for a planned landing near Constantinople
May 1915 V Caucasian to Galicia Southern Poland to stop the Central powers 1915 offensive
April 1916 back in the Caucasus took part in the coastal landings that led to the capture of Trebizond
Jun 1916 with the V Caucasian Corps now back in the Caucasus
Jun-Jul 1916 drives back Turkish attack and on 16 Jul captures the city of Gumusane after that it was moved to the Caucasian army reserve for the winter of 1916-17

I hope this is of some use or interest.

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #92 on: October 22, 2012, 09:43:01 PM »
The book "Russian Orders,Decorations and Medals including those of Imperial Russia, The Provisional goverment and Soviet Union" Robert Werlich has pictures of number of RIA regimental badges including TNs 8th Ulans. It mentions as a source "Regimental Badges of the Russian Imperial Army"  by c Andosake which is Russian only.

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #93 on: December 24, 2012, 03:48:44 PM »
I have a little more information on Maria N's regiment the 9th Kazan Dragoons: it was formed in Moscow in 1701. It's first Colonel was Michael Sybin. In March 1708 it was renamed the Kazan Dragoon regiment. In February 1712 the unit was made part of the Garrison corps set up to guard the frontiers, occupy forts, assist in adminestration and maintain law and order.

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #94 on: January 03, 2013, 05:48:42 PM »
More on Maria N's Kazan Dragoons:
Colonels: 1701: D R Shensin, M A Zybin, 1702 V V Grigorov, 1703 A Akhmatov, 1703-5 A D Astafyev, 1705 de pouligue or Puligny
Campaigns and Battles: 1701-03 Ingermanland, Estland; 1701 Esastfehr-800 men, 1702 hummelshop-882 men, Ronenburg, Smilten, Wolmar; 1704 Siege of Narva; 1711 Prut campaign

Seven years war: 1756 the regiment waqs converted from Dragoons to Cuirassiers. In 1757 it was at the battle of Gross-Jaegersdorf 1758 battle of Zorndorf.
This unit fought in more 7 years war battles that i will post when have the details

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #95 on: March 19, 2013, 03:08:47 PM »
MNs  Kazan Cuirssiers did take part in the 1759 and 1760 campaigns against Prussia but didn't fight in any battles of note.

In 1815 the now Kazan Dragoons were part of the 2nd Dragoon Division part of the Russian army that was marching to fight Napolean but the war ended before they could get there.
also with this army was:
The Elisabethgrad Hussars in the 3rd Hussar Division Olga N s regiment
The Alexandria Husars in the 2nd Hussar Division one of Alexandra regiments.

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #96 on: June 11, 2013, 09:33:05 PM »
More on MNs Regiment back to being Dragoons: It was at the battle of Friedland in 1807, in 1812 it did not fight in action of note, in 1813-14 it was at the siege of Hamburg. These are all the battles/actions which the unit was in during the Napoleonic wars.
The Alexandria hussars on of Alexandra's regiments saw action in the 1809 war against the Turks, in 1812 it was in the battles of Kuberin, Gorodetchna, Borodino, Volhjne,Dandra, Berezina; 1813 Kalish, Lutzen Bautgen, Katzbach, Leipzig;1814 Montmiral, Craonde

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #97 on: December 09, 2013, 02:51:32 AM »
4/17 June – Anastasia appointed to the 148th Kaspiansky/Caspian Infantry – Anastasia appointed chief of the Caspian shelf (Nicholas II diary)
5/18 June – Anastasia’s 14th birthday – Anastasia’s birthday. Appointed her boss 148 Infantry, Caspian etc. (Nicholas II diary)


Haven't found the entries for OTM yet though.
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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #98 on: December 09, 2013, 06:08:52 PM »
4/17 June – Anastasia appointed to the 148th Kaspiansky/Caspian Infantry – Anastasia appointed chief of the Caspian shelf (Nicholas II diary)
5/18 June – Anastasia’s 14th birthday – Anastasia’s birthday. Appointed her boss 148 Infantry, Caspian etc. (Nicholas II diary)


Haven't found the entries for OTM yet though.

This would be 1915, right?

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #99 on: December 09, 2013, 07:24:45 PM »
Yes. Sorry, I forgot to include that in the last post. The timeline I have set up on my PC is such as:

1915

January

February....

June

4/17 June – Anastasia appointed to the 148th Kaspiansky/Caspian Infantry
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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #100 on: April 01, 2014, 06:38:40 PM »
According to the Osprey book "The Russian Civil War (1) the Red Army: The Red army's Vatman or Zavol Zhskaya Red Hussar Brigade included 3 cavalry regiments who wore the pre-war parade uniforms of the 1st Sumsky and 3rd Elisavetgradsky Hussar regiments during the 1918-1919 period. The latter was regiment Olga N was honorary Colonel of.

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #101 on: December 04, 2014, 05:05:47 PM »
All right, a little clarification please .I had originally thought Maria's regiment was the 5th Kazan Dragoons. Subsequently, her regiment was cited as the 9th Kazan Dragoons. One source alternately referred to both at various points. This should be a clear historical fact. Could anyone pin this down for me? Again, I lean towards the regiment being the 5th Kazan Dragoons.

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #102 on: December 05, 2014, 02:26:47 PM »
This might be the problem in 1882 Tsar Alexander III redesignated all non Guards cavalry regiments as Dragoons so for awhile the 3rd hussars was the 9th dragoons. In 1907 the units were given their old designations Hussars Lancer Dragoons back. I know at the beginning of WW I this regiment was the 9th Kazan Dragoons.

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #103 on: December 06, 2014, 02:37:26 AM »
The change back to the old designations took place, I think, in 1910.

See 'Russian Hussar' by Vladimir Littauer. His Regiment, the 1st Sumsky Hussars, was the Sumsky Dragoons for a time.

Even so, non-Guards cavalry regiments continued to be equipped as Dragoons, I.e. All the men carried rifles instead of carbines, and some of the squadrons were equipped with lances.

Hope that helps.

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Re: OTMA's regiments
« Reply #104 on: December 08, 2014, 05:15:41 PM »
My sources on this are:
marksrussianmilitaryhistory.info which has the order of battle of the Russian army at the start of WW I
George Nafzigler who has a lot of OOB as they are called and our online just look up his name
then there is the 8 volume Austria-Hungary's Last War 1914-1918 which is online in both German and English. Maria and Anastasia's regiments fought against the Austrians throughout the war and if you are really serious on them this is one place to look but you will have to look really hard because they are small units in a big war. This is the Austrian Official History written in the 1930s mainly by officers who were on the army commander Conrad's staff. Needless to say they try and make him look good and they do give you a rose-colored glasses Austrian view of WW I.