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Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« on: November 13, 2007, 06:14:54 AM »
The prinses félix really had a mistress, named Zénaïde Gregorieff, giving her two sons, Nicolas born in 1912 and Olivier in 1916.

They managed to leave Russia in the 20's, with a small Tatiana, born in 1920, thanks to Felix and his secretary.

They lived Thanks of prince, Prince until his death in 1928, and then she had to provide for the needs of these children by selling one at a time jewelry offered by her lover.

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Re: Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2007, 06:57:33 AM »
Could you please name a source of your info?

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Re: Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2007, 11:57:44 AM »
Yes, a slate of Auctions

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Re: Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2007, 12:11:17 PM »
I don't understand the title of this thread. Please would someone be good enough to explain ???
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Re: Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2007, 01:15:18 PM »
I don't understand the title of this thread. Please would someone be good enough to explain ???

Allegedly Felix Senior (Felix Yusopov's father) had a mistress, who was the namesake of his wife...

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Re: Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2007, 05:10:06 PM »
Alexandre64,
What you say is very interesting. Where did you learn about Felix Senior's Mistress?

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Re: Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2007, 09:54:29 PM »
Alexandre64,what a nice controversial piece of information you have come up with.I'm sure you realise you will have to present proof of your claims.After the revolution Prince Felix the Elder had virtually no money or any income at all so it would be interesting to know how he supported a family of three when he and the princess were living in very reduced circumstances themselves.May I ask who was the father of the little Tatiana you mention?Nicolas was a rather unfortunate choice of name for the older boy,don't you think?Was Princess Zenaida aware of these people?Forgive my tone,don't mean to seem sarcastic or doubting but you news is rather a surprise.How exactly did the lady in question and the children get out of the country?Do you have any photographs of the sons?Interesting to see if they look at all like their half brothers.This is one of the best news threads on the Forum in ages.
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Re: Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2007, 03:14:43 AM »
The Prince and his secretary, Mr. Svetiloff, who managed to get him out Zénaïde Gregorieff and her children from Russia in the past for being the wife and children of secretary.

They arrivérent to Constantinople, and Installed to Rome near the residence of Yussupof.

This Love story is not met, because they never claim a share of the Heritage Yussupof, and this year, thanks to the sale of Russian Art, that history was revealed.

To answer your question on the small Tatiana, it is the father Prince, on the other hand I do not know if the princess was aware of her liaison with a woman who bore the same name it.

To prove that the Prince was really the father of Tatiana, there is this letter: "My dear Tatiana, here is a photograph so that you do not forget your dear father. And I hope that we will meet again very soon, once recovered from my fatigue, thanks to the climate of the country, on June 11, 1923, Papa. "

The same letter to Olivier: "My small Olivier, here is a photograph so that you do not forget your dear father. And I hope that we will meet again very soon, once recovered from my fatigue, thanks to the climate of the country, on June 11, 1923, Papa. "

And a letter from Felix (husbands' Irina), for Tatiana, (Tatiana Bonnard): "May 20, 1953, with his best congratulations and sincere wishes of happiness, attached a small perfume bottles for the newly-weds."

Another letter from the husband of Irina, for Tatiana: "Thank you for your letter and your wishes I send you mine for you and your family."

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Re: Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2007, 04:01:45 AM »
Good answer.
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Re: Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2007, 10:18:01 AM »
WOW, how interesting that everyone seemed to infer he had a male lover but  so far no one knew or even mentioned he had a mistress and two kids... Although Felix never mentioned anything, I could make a lot of assumptions of some of Felix's remarks regarding his father....
Alexandre64, do you have any way to post this letter you are talking about?. Furthermore, how did you come accross this magnifficent piece of information? Please do tell us the whole story. I am really intrigued to learn more about this subject..

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Re: Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2007, 10:47:31 AM »
I collected all this information on the catalog of an auction sale, which takes place tonight, and among its articles found objects and letters with appartenut to Yussupof, letters written by Romanov, Fabergé objects, desicones,. ..
And his information comes from several articles on objects and letter of Prince Yussupof (Father of the assassin of Rasputin) and his maitresse

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Re: Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2007, 11:00:42 AM »
Although, I must admit I'm not complety shocked by this, it still comes as a suprise that this kind of information wouldn't have come forwards sooner. The idea of Felix Sr. having a second family doesn't seem far fetched as many wealthy men including nobility formed second homes with their mistresses. What seems odd to me would be how he managed to provide for them after the Revolution when the Yussupov's didn't have much money.

Alexander64, is there a way you can post any images of these letters???

Thank you

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Re: Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2007, 11:10:56 AM »
The Prince and Zénaide became lovers in 1910, it was his godfather, and had placed at her mother as Lady Company,
And they séprirent one another over time.

In 1912, she giving birth to Nicolas, who died in 1914, on the same date the prince installed in Petrograd and she gave birth to her second son, Olivier in 1916 and died in 2007.

During the Revolution, her children and she réfugit Crimea, in the town of Alupka, the resort area of AI Todor, which is a part of the Imperial Family and the Family Yussupof, lovers will voyérent more than ever.

In 1919, while the Romanovs, their companions and their suites are locked up by the Bolsheviks at Domaine de Dulber and placed under house monitor.

That same year, Maia Féodorvna succeeded with the help of her sister Alexandra, to evacuate his family and friends, but Zénaïde Gregorieff, then pregnant, and her son retérent despite all its démarchent, Prince did not put the faires party.
LEs Yussupof sets in Rome and in 1922 with the help of his secretary and false paper, he was able to evacuate, Zénaide Gregorieff, Olivier son and daughter Tatiana, fire escalent to Contantinople then in Rome, a resident near Residence of Yussupof.
The Prince took an active part in the education of his children and spent a lot of time with had.
In 1924, a stroke transformed this man warning, full of vigor and energy, an old man impotent and in 1928, during the night of 11 to 12 June, it rendat his soul to God.
Zénaide, his son and daughter s'installérent in Nice, where she vendat one at a time jewelry and gifts offered by the Prince needed to sustain his children.
She died in 1967.

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Re: Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2007, 11:13:47 AM »
Of course, but I do not know how the "spread" on the forum, can be pourriait you tell me?

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Re: Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2007, 12:49:53 PM »
I was always under the impression that Felix Sr was gay...