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loulia

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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2007, 01:59:07 PM »
Poor Zinaida, how awful it was for her: to know that your husband loves a woman named like you, has a son with her named like your dead one, has two more child, and that she lives almost in your house! how cruel is that! she probably felt terribly excluded and replace, while she had to live the hard time of revolution and terribly suffer from her son's death. I'm upset for her!

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« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2007, 02:07:55 PM »
And his information comes from several articles on objects and letter of Prince Yussupof (Father of the assassin of Rasputin) and his maitresse

What are the titles of the articles and where were they published, and are these letters from Felix Sr published anywhere?

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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2007, 02:22:54 PM »
Sad indeed for the princess but it's quite beleavable that she was not aware.I can imagine Felix snr. was generous to his mistress when he was in funds so perhaps she did have resourses when settled in Rome if she was able to bring her jewells and other items with her.With this case coming to light it is easier to understand why the elder prince was left buried in Rome.Alexandre64 do you know if the children Olivier and Tatiana met little Bebe?The granddaughter of Felix snr. who lived with him and the princess in Rome.I suppose they were her uncle and aunt.I have never had any reason to think the father was gay but it does seem he was happy.
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Re: Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2007, 02:43:53 PM »
Maybe you're confusing the Felixs? It was Felix's son who may have been gay/bisexual, I've never heard his father was.

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« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2007, 02:45:06 PM »
Time out, everyone. We really don't know for a fact if any of this is factual... I personally would like to read these articles and take a look at these letters before I accept this information as fact.

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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2007, 02:48:21 PM »
Maybe you're confusing the Felixs? It was Felix's son who may have been gay/bisexual, I've never heard his father was.

No, I'm not confusing them, I do remember reading somewhere that Sr had some male lovers on the side, and that men were his preference, I just can't remember where I read it, possibly in a biography about Felix Jr. In any case, whether he was homosexual or not, it doesn't prove this "second family" thing... I'd like to see some documentation.

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« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2007, 03:05:12 PM »
Hellen,
You were not the only one who heard Felix Senior was gay. I also read he "preffered" the company of men and it comes as a surpisse to me to hear he had a misstress and two kids on the side and no one else in almost 100 years wrote anything about this nither the historians nor the Russian emigré community. I mean, according to Alexandre64, they lived very close to each other in Rome. Someone must have noticed something.....
Please, do not missunderstand me. I am not saying the information Alexandre64 is giving us is false or not false. I just would like to see some evidence and then check that evidence before giving something for granted. That is why I asked Alexandre64 to post these documents....

Alexandre64, any news????

Arturo Vega-Llausás

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« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2007, 03:10:36 PM »
I am not saying the information Alexandre64 is giving us is false or not false. I just would like to see some evidence and then check that evidence before giving something for granted. That is why I asked Alexandre64 to post these documents....


Yes, ditto. Thanks, Valmont.

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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2007, 04:30:10 PM »
If people had heard of this story is that these letters and objects are left in the succession to the second family of Prince, objects and letters that have been coming aujourd'huit was unprecedented even among these objects find gifts Prince offered his maitresse: a pendant with a miniature of the prince, an icon Fabergé silver icon Fabergé adorned with sapphire, photos available to these children

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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2007, 04:34:01 PM »
Let me add, rule of the sale, in English and french:
OBJECTS FABERGE, ARGENTERIE AND HISTORIC MEMORIES WITH APPARTENU:
Count Felix Soumarokoff-Elston Prince Youssoupoff (1856-1928)
From the children he had with Zénaïde Gregorieff (1880-1965)
Story of a secret love morganatique.
Many families were living in the areas belonging to Youssoupoff, Gregorieff were among this group. Count Felix Soumarokoff-Elston Prince Youssoupoff since his marriage to the last holder of the title, was sponsor of several children. And when he wore on funds baptismal, replying to a girl sweet name of his own wife, Count cared for the child as his own daughter. He placed at her mother as a lady companion, and then only with the passage of time, they s'éprirent gradually from one another. Their romance began in 1910, but could not get married, they vivèrent illegally defended this love. In 1912, was born a son, Nicolas, who unfortunately died two years later. Life took its course difficult, while the First World War was raging, the young Zénaïde, based in St. Petersburg, gave birth to a new child named Olivier (1916-2004). The revolution moved and devastated Russia as a whole. Insecurity and anxiety prevailed increasingly in St. Petersburg forcing Gregorieff the exodus to the Crimea, where in the small town of Alupka, a new existence was based. The duo saw as often as possible, because the Count Felix was located not far from there, at Aï-Todor, with his wife and son Felix. This property belonged to the Russian Grand Duke Alexander, whose daughter, Irina had married in 1914 Prince Felix Youssoupoff (1887-1967).
The Bolshevik troops landed in the Crimea and in February 1919, all Romanoff residing in the region as well as allied families and members of their suite were rounded up in the field of Dulber and placed under house arrest. The mother of Emperor Nicolas II, Maria Féodorovna, succeeds in April of that year to evacuate his family on the ship sent by his sister, the Queen of England. All Youssoupoff found themselves on board. The Count, desperate, failed, despite all its efforts, to evacuate at the same time as him, his mistress, then pregnant. Once in Rome, Felix managed with the help of his private secretary, Mr. Svetiloff and with false papers to pass Zénaïde, Olivier and small Tatiana, born on July 7, 1920, for the wife and children of his secretary. Under this new identity that they arrived in Constantinople. It will now be impossible to abandon this name. After more than two years of absence, Zénaïde finally regained the Count in Rome, where the young woman lived Via Humbria a few steps from the residence of Youssoupoff. The Count, very considerate, took an active part in the education of his children born out of wedlock. They regularly visited, filled present and posed with them in the studio photographers. Often they were in the famous garden del Pincio, near the Vatican.
But in 1924, a stroke transformed this man warning, full of vigor and energy, an old man impotent. He died suddenly in the night of 11 to 12 June 1928 and the death of Count again upset the precarious balance of this family. In addition, the frailty of the small Olivier much his mother worried that on the advice of doctors, took the decision to live permanently on the Cote d'Azure, in Nice, mild climate. It was in this city, after subvenu the need for her children by selling one has an all jewelry received as a gift from Earl, on May 2, 1965, Zénaïde Gregorieff-Svetiloff die.
We will have to wait, 2007, to be revealed to the public this tragic love story. Because until now, no historian does to the existence of this family, which also never claimed anything on the legacy Youssoupoff which she was entitled as arranged by the Count before his death. By discretion, by courtesy and respect they prefer to live in the shadows, while keeping secret the story. The following are from the Count and his mistress. They were kept by their children, Olivier and Tatiana, Bonnard wife, and then by their descendants.
Cyril Boulay


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« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2007, 04:34:43 PM »
In French:OBJETS FABERGE, ARGENTERIE ET SOUVENIRS HISTORIQUES AYANT APPARTENU :
au comte Félix Soumarokoff-Elston, prince Youssoupoff (1856-1928)
provenant des enfants qu'il eut avec Zénaïde Gregorieff (1880-1965)
Histoire secrète d'un amour morganatique.
Nombreuses étaient les familles vivant sur les domaines appartenant aux Youssoupoff, les Gregorieff en faisaient partie. Le comte Félix Soumarokoff-Elston, prince Youssoupoff depuis son mariage avec la dernière détentrice du titre, était parrain de plusieurs enfants. Et lorsqu'il porta sur les fonds baptismaux, une fillette répondant au doux prénom de sa propre femme, le comte s'occupa de l'enfant comme de sa propre fille. Il la plaça auprès de sa mère en tant que dame de compagnie et c'est alors qu'au fil du temps, ils s'éprirent peu à peu, l'un de l'autre. Leur romance débuta en 1910, mais ne pouvant se marier, ils vivèrent clandestinement cet amour défendu. En 1912, naquit un fils, Nicolas, qui malheureusement mourut deux ans plus tard. La vie reprit difficilement son cours, alors que la Première guerre mondiale faisait rage, la jeune Zénaïde, installée à Saint-Pétersbourg, mit au monde un nouvel enfant prénommé Olivier (1916-2004). La révolution s'installa et dévasta la Russie tout entière. L'insécurité et l'angoisse régnaient de plus en plus à Saint-Pétersbourg contraignant les Gregorieff à l'exode vers la Crimée, où dans le petit village d'Alupka, une nouvelle existence s'organisa. Le couple se voyait le plus souvent possible, car le comte Félix était installé non loin de là, à Aï-Todor, avec sa femme et son fils Félix. Cette propriété appartenait au grand-duc Alexandre de Russie, dont la fille, Irina avait épousé en 1914 le prince Félix Youssoupoff (1887-1967).
Les troupes bolcheviques débarquèrent en Crimée et en février 1919, tous les Romanoff résidant dans cette région ainsi que les familles alliées et les membres de leur suite furent rassemblés dans le domaine de Dulber et placés en résidence surveillée. La mère de l'empereur Nicolas II, Maria Féodorovna, réussit en avril de la même année à faire évacuer sa famille à bord du navire envoyé par sa sœur la reine d'Angleterre. Tous les Youssoupoff s'y trouvèrent à bord. Le comte, désespéré, ne parvint pas, malgré toutes ses démarches, à faire évacuer en même temps que lui, sa maîtresse, alors enceinte. Une fois arrivé à Rome, Félix réussit avec l'aide de son secrétaire particulier, M. Svetiloff et avec de faux papiers, à faire passer Zénaïde, Olivier et la petite Tatiana, née le 7 juillet 1920, pour la femme et les enfants de son secrétaire. C'est sous cette nouvelle identité qu'ils arrivèrent à Constantinople. Il leur sera désormais impossible d'abandonner ce nom de famille. Après plus de deux ans d'absence, Zénaïde retrouva enfin le comte à Rome, où la jeune femme habitait Via Humbria à quelques pas de la résidence des Youssoupoff. Le comte, très prévenant, prit activement part à l'éducation de ses enfants naturels. Il leur rendait régulièrement visite, les comblait de présents et posait en leur compagnie dans les studios des photographes. Souvent ils se retrouvaient dans le célèbre jardin del Pincio, près du Vatican.
Mais en 1924, une attaque cérébrale transforma cet homme alerte, plein de vigueur et d'énergie, en un vieillard impotent. Il mourut subitement dans la nuit du 11 au 12 juin 1928 et la mort du comte bouleversa à nouveau l'équilibre précaire de cette famille. De plus, la santé fragile du petit Olivier inquiétait beaucoup sa mère qui sur les conseils des médecins, prit la décision de partir vivre définitivement sur la Côte d'Azure, à Nice, au climat plus clément. C'est d'ailleurs dans cette ville, après avoir subvenu au besoin de ses enfants en vendant un a un tous les bijoux reçus en cadeau du comte, que le 2 mai 1965, Zénaïde Gregorieff-Svetiloff décédera.
Il faudra attendre, 2007, pour que soit révélé au public cette tragique histoire d'amour. Car jusqu'à ce jour, aucun historien ne fait état de l'existence de cette famille, qui d'ailleurs n'a jamais rien revendiqué sur l'héritage Youssoupoff auquel elle avait droit selon les dispositions prises par le comte avant sa mort. Par discrétion, par courtoise et par respect ils préfèrent vivre dans l'ombre, tout en gardant secrète cette histoire. Les objets ci-dessous proviennent du comte et de sa maîtresse. Ils furent conservés par leur enfants, Olivier et Tatiana, épouse Bonnard, puis par leur descendance.
Cyrille Boulay


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Re: Mistress of Felix, husband of Zenaide
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2007, 04:45:29 PM »
As loulia has been noticed, the Princess has had much undergoing, thanks to her marriage she becomes Prince Yussupof and "winning" one of the first Russian fortune, and to thank it takes a maitresse and 3 kids here but the hardest part for her had she had to be during the éxil in Rome, imagine that that her husband is out to retrieve his second of the family to make them suffer ...

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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2007, 05:36:32 PM »
Alexandre64,
I must say this is a very interesting story. In the article it is mention Prince Yussupoff arranged for Madame Gregorieff to have part of the Prince's legacy before his death. Does anyone know what legacy the article is reffering to? Has anyone seen  Prince Yussupoff's will (if he ever left one). Furthermore, In which auction house is this sale taking place?
Could you pease let me know?
Thank you

Arturo Vega-Llausás

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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2007, 07:34:30 PM »
Yes, Arturo, I agree entirely in follow-up, that it would be quite valuable to obtain a copy of the auction catalogue/s  of the sale.   This would allow somewhat of a determination as to the reputation/reliability of the firm conducting the sale, as well as a description and provenance of the individual items.  It would also be instructive to further get a copy of the "prices realized," to gauge the responsiveness of the (anonymous) bidders.  The potentially unsettling thing to me about this entire affair (no pun intended) is based on a comment which Victor posted re the names of "Zenaida" and "Nicolas."  It would seem quite evocative to have a mistress with the same name as your wife, and the name Nicolas certainly would evoke echoes of the "first" Nicolas' tragic end.  Perhaps the Prince Yussupov wished to "commemorate" in a rather sad way, the loss of his elder son?  (I am using "elder" to refer to the original 2 sons, Nicolas and Felix, Jnr.)  Strange indeed, but "stranger things have happened."

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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2007, 07:41:28 PM »
(Addendum to my previous posting)  And thanks to Alexandre64 for bringing this provocative topic to our attention!