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Re: Helen Rappaport- Ekaterinburg: The Last Days of the Romanovs
« Reply #270 on: April 24, 2009, 05:40:11 PM »
The 1922 note is available on the main APTM site in both Russian and English: http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/YurovskyNoteEnglish.html

Here are the segments relating to Maria's position in the family, and her lack of jewels:

"What concerns Maria, she is not similar to and [also] outwardly as the first two sisters: [she is] somewhat reticent and considered like a step-daughter in the family."

"The precious stones were found to be with Tatiana, Olga and Anastasia. Here the special position Maria held in the family was confirmed, on [Maria] there were no precious stones."

If, as King & Wilson speculate, an incident occurred between Maria and a guard that spurred the Ural Regional Soviet to hire Yurovsky and almost completely replace the Special Detachment, it makes sense that Yurovsky would have been made aware of Maria's transgression.

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Re: Helen Rappaport- Ekaterinburg: The Last Days of the Romanovs
« Reply #271 on: April 26, 2009, 10:47:45 AM »
What puzzles me is this insitance by some that Marie's lack of a jeweled corset is due to her family not trusting her.  Isn't that simply explained by the fact that she left w/ N. & A. while the girls still in Tobolsk finished the job of secreting the jewels?  Or am I not remembering the timeline right?

You're remembering the timeline right. What's interesting, though, is that Yurovsky for some reason presumed Maria had lost stature among her family. Even though I believe Maria's lack of jewels has to do with the timing of her departure from Tobolsk, I can't help wondering what Yurovsky might have observed from NAOTMAA in their last weeks that made him connect the arrangement of jewels with the family's relationship.

I'll have to check my copy of Ispoved Tsareubiits to see if the 1922 statement is included.

Discussions about Maria's alleged "transgression" belong in either her own thread or in "The Final Chapter".

Yurovsky may simply have speculated, by the way, about something whose explanation was perfectly logical within the family. They would have known that the remaining jewelry was secreted in the undergarments of the three grand duchesses and brought from Tobolsk to Yekaterinburg by them. Maria obviously could not have been part of this.

Because Yurovsky was only with the family for a matter of days, killed them, and then was involved with the debacle of the multiple burials, he may have embellished what he "knew" about the family because the murders and their aftermath were really his only claim to fame. Undoubtedly those who removed their clothing discovered Maria's lack of jewels and let him know about it. He may have speculated misconduct as an explanation (because to him, the jewels were what was important, not the people to whom they belonged) as the "reason" Maria had no jewels. He may have had her buried separately with her brother not because of what he "knew", but because he likely would not have known why she had no jewels in her undergarments.

Just observations from someone who has seen minor celebrity encounters "embellished" by civilians due to excitement about meeting the celeb.

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Re: Helen Rappaport- Ekaterinburg: The Last Days of the Romanovs
« Reply #272 on: May 03, 2009, 05:00:23 PM »
I have finished Helen Rappaport's "The Last Days of the Romanovs" and wish to provide my general impression.

First of all, I would highly recommend.  It is very well-written and researched.  The focus on the last fourteen days of captivity is a little misleading; she cleverly uses the events of each day as a narrative vehicle to explore in depth the broader issues of their imprisonment, thus covering the full spectrum from a wide lens.  I found this to be a unique and refreshing approach to what I initially imagined would have been very well-traveled ground.   

I had no issue with the footnote criticism, for two reasons:  (1) having previously pored over much of the source material on my own, I was never uncomfortable with her interpretations and analysis of them; and (2) there were very few instances where she referenced source information I had not had access to from previous sources. 

What did I like about it?  I loved her scholarly intuition.  I liked very much that it was not a romanticized account; that she provided full details, warts and all, making the story far more human and my understanding of the IF's dynamic more vivid.  Vivid is a good word to use, actually, because her focus on simple, everyday aspects of their imprisonment resonated enough to create empathy in a reader nearly a century and half a world removed.

What didn't I like about it?  As much as I truly enjoyed her sense of psychology - she possesses an intuitive perception of character and self - I did feel that from time to time she was just a touch heavy handed with it.  But that is hardly a criticism, more an opinion.  Generally as an artist she has a very good sense of when to pull back; her description of the execution is written very matter-of-fact, thankfully not clouded over with floury prose.  Like any good writer, she lets the horror of the events speak for themselves.

From the point of view of scholarship, I was most impressed by her compelling case linking the execution directly to Moscow.  A central tenet of FOTR, as we all know, concerns a theory that the Ekaterinburg Soviet acted alone.  After reading this book I am satisfied that assertion is false.  The Goloshchekin-Sverdlov-Lenin connection, discussed in detail, added a great deal of clarity to the relationship between Moscow and Ekaterinburg.  That is not to criticize; much of how we now understand this relationship can and should be credited to King and Wilson: I think they were the first to demonstrate the presence of tension between Ekaterinburg and Moscow, as well as the difficulties in telegraph communication, etc., but from there I believe they became a bit overzealous in their conclusions.  Topic for a separate thread.

In short, of the many non-fiction Romanov books I have read, this one ranks very high.  Highly recommend.

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« Reply #273 on: January 02, 2011, 10:12:20 PM »
I found the book The last days of the Romanoffs in Big Lot's for three dollars.   It was a very good read and had a number of pictures I had never seen before.

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Re: Helen Rappaport- Ekaterinburg: The Last Days of the Romanovs
« Reply #274 on: January 02, 2011, 11:47:32 PM »
This book is among my collection too.  I liked it :)
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« Reply #275 on: January 03, 2011, 09:58:36 AM »
I had not thought about Marie not having "jewels" sewn into her underclothes in the way that Lisa described above.

It makes a lot of sense that since Marie was the one who went with Nicholas and Alexandra to Yekaterinburg that she was not able to sew jewels into her undergarments as the others did.  Once in Yekaterinburg, there may have been no privacy that would allow her to "catch up" with the others and sew jewels in.

Interesting speculation.

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Re: Helen Rappaport- Ekaterinburg: The Last Days of the Romanovs
« Reply #276 on: March 10, 2011, 10:51:38 PM »
Apparently Rappaport's next book will focus on the Romanov's domestic family life, particularly that of the Grand Duchesses - working title Four Sisters.

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Re: Helen Rappaport- Ekaterinburg: The Last Days of the Romanovs
« Reply #277 on: March 11, 2011, 05:13:33 AM »
Any idea when it's going to be published?

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Re: Helen Rappaport- Ekaterinburg: The Last Days of the Romanovs
« Reply #278 on: March 12, 2011, 08:09:17 PM »
She's just starting research so I would imagine it will be at least a year or two.

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Re: Helen Rappaport- Ekaterinburg: The Last Days of the Romanovs
« Reply #279 on: March 16, 2011, 10:50:07 AM »
looking forward to THAT, for sure =)

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« Reply #280 on: March 16, 2011, 01:07:03 PM »
looking forward to THAT, for sure =)
Oh, yes, indeed!! I will certainly buy that when it comes out! Until then, we'll just have to be patient...

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« Reply #281 on: March 18, 2011, 08:18:23 AM »
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Re: Helen Rappaport- Ekaterinburg: The Last Days of the Romanovs
« Reply #282 on: July 27, 2011, 04:40:36 AM »
Can't wait ;D anyone notice how in the beginning of LDR:TE it remarks that Nicholas was under house arrest "first at the Alexander Palace in St. Petersburg and then..."? In the 5th photo it says Alexandra under house arrest in the Alexander Palace in Tsarskoe Selo... Also, the 2nd picture, a 1914 formal of OTMA, it says something like the GDs in a photo mass produced for public consumption in 1915. Did this mean the photograph was produced from the 1914 one? In the list of illustrations it says "... Grand Duchesses in an official photograph, 1915." I haven't even made it past Section One...

(I have the American edition)

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Re: Helen Rappaport- Ekaterinburg: The Last Days of the Romanovs
« Reply #283 on: July 27, 2011, 07:29:08 AM »

 anyone notice how in the beginning of LDR:TE it remarks that Nicholas was under house arrest "first at the Alexander Palace in St. Petersburg and then..."? In the 5th photo it says Alexandra under house arrest in the Alexander Palace in Tsarskoe Selo...

Tsarskoe is a suburb of St. Petersburg, so I wouldn't necessarily call that an error. LDR was written for a mainstream audience, so I suspect Rappaport's intent was to give first-time readers a point of reference.

When I tell someone outside Michigan where I'm from, I usually don't say the name of the little town where I actually live -- I say Detroit instead even though it's 30 miles away. The name of my town wouldn't mean anything to someone outside the area, just as Tsarskoe Selo wouldn't be familiar to someone new to the Romanovs.


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Also, the 2nd picture, a 1914 formal of OTMA, it says something like the GDs in a photo mass produced for public consumption in 1915. Did this mean the photograph was produced from the 1914 one? In the list of illustrations it says "... Grand Duchesses in an official photograph, 1915."

Probably. Either that or it's just mislabeled.

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Re: Helen Rappaport- Ekaterinburg: The Last Days of the Romanovs
« Reply #284 on: July 27, 2011, 07:34:19 AM »
For some stupid reason I thought it was a whole other town, far from St. Petersburg! So like how Queens is to New York, Tsarskoe Selo is to St. Petersburg.

Either way, great book!