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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
« Reply #90 on: January 08, 2009, 05:46:02 AM »

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here's my question:
can anyone tell me what order it is?    was it inherited?     and did the sash/ribbon signify a particular class (or level) of the order?
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That looks like an encipher (order) of ladies-in-waiting of Empress Alexandra Fedorovna, spouse of Nicholas I.


very probably correct.  but what i meant specifically, was this:




my fault --- i don't really know why i included the empress' encipher/badges in the images in the first place...

ZN looks too young, though, to be a lady-in-waiting & i've never seen a maid-of-honour wearing a diagonal sash.
those usually belong to one of the Orders of Saint-Insertname Here...

in any case, do you recognize the ribbon (sash) colors or design? 
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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
« Reply #91 on: January 09, 2009, 08:53:49 AM »

in any case, do you recognize the ribbon (sash) colors or design? 

The colour of the ribbon is famous - that's Saint-Andrew's ribbon.

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
« Reply #92 on: January 09, 2009, 08:31:22 PM »

in any case, do you recognize the ribbon (sash) colors or design? 

The colour of the ribbon is famous - that's Saint-Andrew's ribbon.


did you know she had that order?
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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
« Reply #93 on: January 10, 2009, 02:34:12 AM »

in any case, do you recognize the ribbon (sash) colors or design? 

The colour of the ribbon is famous - that's Saint-Andrew's ribbon.


did you know she had that order?

I haven't find any info on that. Actually most of ladies-in-waiting (maid-in-honours) were obliged to wear enciphers on the Andrew's ribbon.

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
« Reply #94 on: February 27, 2009, 12:48:34 AM »
I am quite puzzled by the POTENTIAL identification given concerning the ribband and badge of the order as that of Saint Andrew the First Called.  The ribband of St. Andrew was, to my knowledge, not bi-colored, rather it was plain shade of blue very much like the shoulder bow with cypher shown here.  The "badge" shown here that connects the 2 pieces of the ribband, is in my opinion, not that of St. Andrew.  St. Andrew's crucified image was depicted against a black double-headed eage as a SASH badge.  The star of the order was rather plainer.  I cannot determine from these illustration/s that this subject is wearing a star of St. Andrew.  AND finally, were women accepted into the Order of Saint Andrew (unless a sole reigning empress was considered head of the order and thus entitled to the insignia)?  Given all the foregoing, is it possible that this WAS a "feminine" adaption of Saint Andrew's ribband at express command of the head of the Order?  I have personally seen a few of authentic, as well as many replicas and photos of the insignia of the Order of Saint Andrew, but I cannot find any reference to this particular ensemble and would welcome any clarification.   Regards,  AP
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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
« Reply #96 on: March 10, 2009, 11:47:49 AM »
Thanks Grand Duchess Ally!!! Those 2 pics are totally new for me.

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
« Reply #97 on: March 10, 2009, 03:13:39 PM »
correction...i can only see one child in the picture. Not sure if its Felix or Nicholas

it wasn't necessary to have all the subjects there for a sitting.   they were often done individually -- however, the preliminary sketches might be done w/ all subjects present.  but the followup sittings, could be done seperately.


...or is that not what you meant? 
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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
« Reply #98 on: March 16, 2009, 12:23:29 AM »
correction...i can only see one child in the picture. Not sure if its Felix or Nicholas

it wasn't necessary to have all the subjects there for a sitting.   they were often done individually -- however, the preliminary sketches might be done w/ all subjects present.  but the followup sittings, could be done seperately.


...or is that not what you meant? 

Yes and no,  At first I had believed that both boys were in the picture but then I realized only one was in the picture. I did question if one of the boys was sketched and later painted in. Thanks for the info Brian
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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
« Reply #99 on: March 16, 2009, 01:43:15 PM »
The painting is from 1894 and the boy is Felix. Doesn't someone have the color version of this painting saved, I am sure I've seen it posted here before.

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
« Reply #100 on: March 22, 2009, 12:26:47 PM »
Zinaida and Elizabeth, i hope this pic is new for the topic
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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
« Reply #101 on: March 23, 2009, 06:05:59 AM »
Zinaida and Elizabeth, i hope this pic is new for the topic

And the man is GD Sergei. I had posted the picture, on another  thread though.

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
« Reply #102 on: March 24, 2009, 03:50:15 PM »
in any case, do you recognize the ribbon (sash) colors or design? 

To be honesty, i did not know anything about this order. But its story seemed me to be interesting. I asked some specialist, so they said:
ORDER OF THERESA
Established by Queen Theresa of Bavaria on December 12, 1827 for impoverished, unmarried daughters of the nobility. The recipient received a pension of three hundred florins a year until she married. This Order could also be granted to noble ladies of foreign birth, but when this was done there was no remuneration.
BADGE: Gold rimmed, white bordered, light blue enamel cross. Between the arms are blue and white lozenges. Center medallion portrays the letter T (initial of founder) surrounded by a green wreath. Badge is suspended from a gold crown. Reverse center medallion bears the date of founding in gold on white enamel.
STAR: None.
RIBBON: White with two broad light blue border stripes, each of which has a narrow white stripe toward inner edge. Narrow white borders.

but i dont know what was it given for to Yusupovs women.
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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
« Reply #103 on: March 31, 2009, 09:45:59 AM »
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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures II
« Reply #104 on: April 06, 2009, 01:50:26 PM »