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Preliminary results show the Ekaterinburg remains to be those of HIH Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria based on the Russian DNA results.
DNA results from abroad are still pending for comparison and a final verdict is expected in April or May.

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Re: Bloomberg News reports DNA Tests show remains those of Alexei and Maria.
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2008, 01:51:43 PM »
This IS a good news.

It really doesn´t matter to me if it was Maria or Anastasia with Alexei.

What matters to me is that they finally are all together, and no one would doubt it.

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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2008, 02:22:40 PM »
... and no one would doubt it.

Hey, you wanna bet? ;-)

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Re: Bloomberg News reports DNA Tests show remains those of Alexei and Maria.
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2008, 02:29:41 PM »
I don´t bet! :) I would probably loose:)

But still, those undecided will have it easier.

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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2008, 03:00:46 PM »
I would probably loose...

You would definitely lose ;-) But who cares, because reasonable people at least will have their definitive answer.

Also wanted to add that it really doesn't matter whether the female remains are those of Maria or Anastasia, the most important thing is that all the remains are accounted for. I wonder if they will plan to inter them along with the others once they have it all confirmed.

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2008, 06:33:00 PM »
No doubt the remains will be placed with the others. Final confirmation will close this chapter on a tragic family. Hopefully the ludicrous and the demented will cease their ridiculous baseless assertions about survivors as clearly there never were any. It's also time the Russian Orthodox Church engaged in some overdue honesty. It's behaviour in 1998 was quite disgraceful.

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Re: Bloomberg News reports DNA Tests show remains those of Alexei and Maria.
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2008, 06:44:35 PM »
It really doesn´t matter to me if it was Maria or Anastasia with Alexei.

What matters to me is that they finally are all together, and no one would doubt it.

I agree! I'm so happy! they can finally rest in peace, together.


It's also time the Russian Orthodox Church engaged in some overdue honesty. It's behaviour in 1998 was quite disgraceful.

Yea, it was! I do hope they act better this time around. you'd think a Church would act better.

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Re: Bloomberg News reports DNA Tests show remains those of Alexei and Maria.
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2008, 09:02:43 PM »
You have to wonder why Aleksey and Maria (or Anastasia) were buried apart from the family. I could see Aleksey, I guess. But why one of the girls?

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Re: Bloomberg News reports DNA Tests show remains those of Alexei and Maria.
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2008, 09:14:00 PM »
All done to make the other grave not accurate in total numbers.

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Re: Bloomberg News reports DNA Tests show remains those of Alexei and Maria.
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2008, 09:14:58 PM »
You have to wonder why Aleksey and Maria (or Anastasia) were buried apart from the family. I could see Aleksey, I guess. But why one of the girls?

if you read the report on what happened that night. their first plan was to burn the bodies. and the first two the tried burning were Alexei and one of the girls. but it was taking to long. so they put out the fire and buried the bodies under the bonfire then they had to relight the fire (to get rid of all traces that they buried them there). then buried the rest in a different spot. right?

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Re: Bloomberg News reports DNA Tests show remains those of Alexei and Maria.
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2008, 10:08:17 PM »
thats what i heard as well...

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Re: Bloomberg News reports DNA Tests show remains those of Alexei and Maria.
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2008, 07:10:18 PM »
Yes, I think it is so...

One thing; the Russian experts were saying that the female was, according to estimations, aged between 16 and 18; wouldn't that be Anastasia's age rather than Mariya's ?

I don't know if the remains are enough to make some kind of restructuration, a bit like they did for King Tut?

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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2008, 12:42:36 PM »
Yes, I think it is so...

One thing; the Russian experts were saying that the female was, according to estimations, aged between 16 and 18; wouldn't that be Anastasia's age rather than Mariya's ?


That's what I heard as well! I seriously do believe the female remains to be Anastasia's. Honestly, there aren't enough similarities in regards to wound placements and types on the body from the original grave to assure it was Anastasia.....they all correlated with the wounds Maria is said to have been inflicted with in the cellar. Not to mention the fact that Demidova, Alexandra's "parlour maid" as Yurovsky put it, was stout and plump exactly as Anastasia was at the time of her slaughter. This in essence goes with the idea that Yurovsky said he burned "Demidova's" body thus making this mistake on physical appearances (he couldn't judge by faces as the malicious b*stards had caved them in with rifle butts), and only looking at their bodies. I say this because not only was Maria taller than Demidova to have been mistaken for her, BUT she had thinned out previous to 1915. I'm more or less saying that Anastasia would have been far more likely to be thought of as the pleasantly plump servant than Maria..........

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Re: Bloomberg News reports DNA Tests show remains those of Alexei and Maria.
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2008, 01:45:42 PM »


Honestly, there aren't enough similarities in regards to wound placements and types on the body from the original grave to assure it was Anastasia.....they all correlated with the wounds Maria is said to have been inflicted with in the cellar. Not to mention the fact that Demidova, Alexandra's "parlour maid" as Yurovsky put it, was stout and plump exactly as Anastasia was at the time of her slaughter. This in essence goes with the idea that Yurovsky said he burned "Demidova's" body thus making this mistake on physical appearances (he couldn't judge by faces as the malicious b*stards had caved them in with rifle butts), and only looking at their bodies. I say this because not only was Maria taller than Demidova to have been mistaken for her, BUT she had thinned out previous to 1915. I'm more or less saying that Anastasia would have been far more likely to be thought of as the pleasantly plump servant than Maria..........

That's what I have always thought, too. Whichever girl was burned, she had to have been mistaken for a chubby, middle aged woman. The older three were all taller and thinner. Then we have this statement:

Sukhorukov in  Last Act of A Tragedy  p. 144:

>>We decided to burn two corpses on the fire and did so. For our sacrificial altar we got the last heir. The second body was the youngest daughter Anastasia.  After the corpses were burned, we scattered the ashes, dug a pit in the centre, shoveled in all the unburnt remainders,  made a fire again on the same spot and finished the work.<<

This account mentions Anastasia by name. So we have one account saying it was Demidova, one saying it was Anastasia, and none saying it was anyone else by name. I really never understood why Marie was even considered as the missing girl, except that according to the Russians, her face matched on their computer tests (though the middle of the face was completely destroyed and AN and MN were very similiar IMO across the forehead)

Sooo- I guess we'll just have to wait for the official word. I would personally love to have this 'which girl' controversy cleared up to end ALL questions, but as long as all five kids are accounted for that will have to be enough.

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Re: Bloomberg News reports DNA Tests show remains those of Alexei and Maria.
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2008, 02:33:41 PM »
Preliminary results show the Ekaterinburg remains to be those of HIH Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria based on the Russian DNA results.
DNA results from abroad are still pending for comparison and a final verdict is expected in April or May.

Could you provide me a link for that report?