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SOmething has always baffled me. Why did Xenia get a cushy Grace and Favor mansion on the grounds of Windsor while Olga was left to her own> I know Olga was something of an individualist, but it seems pretty heartless of the British royal family to let her spend her dying days in a crummy apartment above a Toronto barbershop. She must have offended someone somewhere!

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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2004, 12:07:00 AM »
The short answer is that Olga married a commoner and was treated a bit more poorly than her sister Xenia. There were other reasons, of course. Olga had a husband with whom she was living - Xenia was separated from Sandro by the time they went into exile. Olga had two young sons - Xenia's children were grown. I could go on. Point is, they were at different points of their lives when the Revolution came, so the differences in their lives afterwards is not so strange.

In terms of where Olga died, she was not as destitute as the description sounds. Both sisters had modest means in exile, but they were hardly poor.

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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2004, 07:46:33 AM »
After the revolution, the Empress and Xenia's family made their way to England. Xenia chose to stay in England with her children and was granted a grace and favour house from the English Royal family. Xenia's husband, moved to Paris.

Olga and her family eventually made their way to Denmark after the revolution and stayed with the Empress who moved back to her homeland. After the Empress passed away, Olga raised her family in Denmark and it was after WWII, and the rise of the Soviet Union, through Europe, that Olga and her family made the decision to move to Canada.

Olga was still very much respected by the other royal families and was visited in Canada by the Duchess of Kent and was invited to visit Queen Elizabeth when she paid a visit to Toronto in the late 1950's.

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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2004, 01:48:24 PM »
As Im from Denmark where Olga, grand duchess, lived for some years before the family went to Canada Ive been to her home not far from where I live.
Its some years ago, but Im willing to go there again if anybody has some questions about her.
Her previous home is a small farmhouse which is now turned into a museum containing private stuff and some paintings.
Anybody who want me to find out anything??
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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2004, 03:00:46 PM »

Yes, it would be great to know whether Olga possessed some items given her by Tsarina Alix - signed photos, Faberge things or such.

Would be too kind if you could look!

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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2004, 03:08:31 PM »
Kirsten, that would be wonderful!  And how terrific for the rest of us, who would love to live in or at least vacation in Denmark, but don't readily have the opportunity!  

Speaking personally, I'd love to know more about the museum collection. And are the paintings by Olga? I know from The Last Grand Duchess that she was very fond of painting.

Also, if you could take a photograph or two of the farmhouse and post it, that would also be fabulous.

Thank you for telling us about this, and whenever you have the time and energy and interest to do whatever you can do, all will be appreciated!

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2004, 03:24:33 PM »
Kirsten, thank you for offering. I think it is safe to say we would all be delighted with any information, photos, memorabilia you could share with us.

Louise

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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2004, 10:16:24 PM »
Kirsten this is lovely of you to share with us ! Have you also visited Hvidore?

Many many thanks !
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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2004, 06:56:02 PM »
 ???How was Olga and Xenia's relationship after their
mother died? Did they keep in contact etc?

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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2004, 11:32:08 PM »
Yes, AFAIK, the sisters maintained contact throughout their lives.

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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2004, 12:15:10 AM »
I always had the impression that being more of a non-conformist and perhaps less attached to the kind of life that had been lost, Olga chose to 'go her own way'. She did it in her marriage, etc...I think if she had wanted, George would certainly have granted her a home as well. I don't think her choice of husband played into it so much. I mean, they might not all have liked it but the marriage was sanctioned by the Tsar. QV was well-known for her lack (by royal standards) of snobbery, allowing 'common' nobility and morgantic unions to intermarry in her family and turned her own nose up at those who criticized her. And Queen Mary came from less-than-illustrious beginnings as well as coming to the aid (as mentioned before) of her unwed & pregnant cousin. I think Olga just loved Denmark, had spent more time there, was used to being near her mother and naturally gravitated there. The farm she had in Canada resembled that of Denmark. I've never read of any different feeling on George's part for his 2 cousins. And,yes, Olga did still receive presents, letters and, on American trips, visits from her English royals. This includes  Elizabeth II who was only born after the Russian Revolution and who would've only really known her through what her family told her so if she visited her at a private luncheon and Olga called her 'Lilibet' as quoted by Ian Vorres, there must've been some decent contact.
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2004, 12:37:02 AM »
In spite of living nearly her entire life in the public eye, Elizabeth II does have a private life. AFAIK, everyone who knows her privately calls her Lilibet - except for her children and grandchildren of course. The fact that Olga called her Lilibet I would not take as evidence of a relationship, may or may have not been close.

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2004, 01:37:19 AM »
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In spite of living nearly her entire life in the public eye, Elizabeth II does have a private life. AFAIK, everyone who knows her privately calls her Lilibet - except for her children and grandchildren of course. The fact that Olga called her Lilibet I would not take as evidence of a relationship, may or may have not been close.


I know she has a private life and that was part of my point, it's a private nickname. I don't think they were in constant contact or personally very close, but to me it implied a certain level of familiarity rather than just knowing that there was an cousin of her grandfather's floating around out there.
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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2004, 05:34:10 AM »
As I have said in other postings, I personally think that George V was keen to help Xenia and Olga as much as he could.
I agree that their lives did diverge and that there was always an element in Olga's character of non-conformity, or at the very least, a desire to push the boundaries.  
I believe that it must have taken some courage for Olga and Nikolai to up sticks and relocate to Canada, but then I think that Olga did not lack courage as she had already shown much courage in the face of adversity.
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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, discussion and pictures Part 1
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2004, 08:56:10 AM »
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SOmething has always baffled me. Why did Xenia get a cushy Grace and Favor mansion on the grounds of Windsor while Olga was left to her own> I know Olga was something of an individualist, but it seems pretty heartless of the British royal family to let her spend her dying days in a crummy apartment above a Toronto barbershop. She must have offended someone somewhere!


Her life in Toronto wasn't that bad.  Maybe not the grand life of Imperial Russia, but not bad either.  My grandfather was her neighbor while she lived over the butcher shop, and it was a nice neighborhood filled with neighborhood people (you know, the kind the keep an eye out for each otherand help each other out).  So I don't think it's fair to assume that just becuase she lived over a butcher shop means her life was any worse off than Xenia's.  Besides, I've always had the impression that Olga was a lot more independent than other members of her family; a free spirit so to speak.  After years and years of being told what to do, she finally broke free and did what she felt was best for her.  I think this is why she moved to Canada regardless of what others may have thought -- it was what was best for her and her family.

JMHO
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