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Re: Princes Baryatinsky
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2006, 12:50:49 PM »
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here is the portrait of general leutenant Anatoly Ivanovich 1820-1881

what happened to his descent ?
Wladimir Anatolievich and others ? thanks in advance.


I think...this is portrait of field marshal Prince Alexander Ivanovich :)

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Re: Princes Baryatinsky
« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2006, 01:14:21 PM »
The photograph maybe of either man as the identification on it simply reads A. I. Bariatinsky. One would have to research the photograph or find its original context, meaning the website from whence it came. Otherwise one would have to determine which man had the Order of Saint George 2nd Step and two other Russian orders both of the 2nd Step.

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« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2008, 05:39:50 PM »
I'm researching about Italian pianist and music director Redento Zardo who lived in St.Petersburg between 1900 and 1908 (year of his death). Someone could see if in Lina Cavalieri's biographies are remembered this pianist? Thanks for help.

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« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2008, 05:58:28 AM »
Well, She certainly lived up to her reputation as a beautiful Woman. I wonder if she is wearing an opera costume in the last photo?

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« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2008, 08:49:31 AM »
I am wondering why there is so little information available of Prince A.V. Bariatinsky (1848-1909). I have found articles on the internet of his father Vladimir Ivanovich (1817-1875) and grandfather Ivan Ivanovich (1772-1825), something also about his sisters Maria (1851-1937), e.g. her ”Diary of a Russian Princess in a Bolsheviks Prison”, and Elisaveta (1855-1938) > Schouvaloff.
We know hat he was married twice, 1872 with Elena Orlova-Denissova and 1897 with Anna Pokhrovskaja. Besides the internet tells about A.V. Bariatinsky that he was ”в 1875 полковник, флигель-адъютант, в 1884 отчислен от командования полком и зачислен по армейской пехоте, далее жил в Париже, скончался генерал-майором в отставке” - that is: in a fairly good position at the court as a commander of a life guard regiment, until something happened or changed 1884.
I also know that he spent all his summers 1884-1894 in South-Eastern Finland, which was then part of Russia, some 200 km from St. Petersburg, in a house which was built for that purpose (and still exists). According to a local reminiscence he was ordered to change his place of residence every three months after his dismissal 1884 and living there was a part of that course of life until the reprieve 1894. I would appreciate any information or hints of sources about the Prince, reasons for dismissal, about his life, family etc. Originally it is a question of writing local history, but now I am also personally interested in the Prince's life as a part of the era.

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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2008, 02:43:32 PM »
Alexander Vladimirovich seems to be little known to everybody. No wonder: his only child Vladimir died in Biarritz 1901, at the age of 21, and neither her sisters ”Betsy” (Shuvalova) and Maria had descendants. Some fragments have appeared, however. First, the name of the prince came up in a German description of an old Austrian castle in Schönwörth (or Niederbreitenbach). ”Fürst Alexander Wladimir Bariatinsky” bought the castle in 1886 and made it flourish during the next ten years until he 1894 moved to Paris. This suits well together with the assumptions in my earlier text how the Prince was obliged to live abroad. In the article it is mentioned that because Bariatinsky really ”lived like a prince”, some of the conservative people in the Austrian country region did not like that, despite his generous support to the community.

Another source, the history of the Russian chevalier life guard, published in Paris 1966, gives some information of the immediate reasons, why Bariatinsky was dismissed 24.7.2884, after being only one year as the commander of the regiment. During the coronary of Alexander III in May 1883 Bariatinsky was one of the ”Flugeladjutants / флигель-адъютант» . According to the book, the tzar noticed that the saddle of Bariatinsky was not examplary and ordered him to be arrested. Bariatinsky who accompanied the Duke of Edinburgh, spouse of Grandduchess Maria Alexandrovna, considered that he was compromised in the eyes of the guests and travelled abroad for a while.
He was nominated commander of the life guard regiment only a couple of months later, but taking himself as insulted he refused to wear the official court uniform — despite the appeals of his officers (who according to the book liked him), and the general-inspector of the cavalry.

The uniform can be seen for example http://www.rulex.ru/rpg/portraits/25/25589.htm in the picture of the predecessor of Bariatinsky, Baron Fredericks. It certainly takes a while to dress - I would not choose it -  but I cannot help thinking that there has been something else or at least more than manners and arrogance at stake.

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« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2008, 04:09:29 PM »
I don't know who's the officer pictured on the linked photo, but Baron Fredericks he's definitely not. The uniform he wears is that of Life Guard Hussars, not the Horse Guard. The Russian album's attribution is wrong.

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« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2008, 09:32:38 AM »
I am wondering why there is so little information available of Prince A.V. Bariatinsky (1848-1909). I have found articles on the internet of his father Vladimir Ivanovich (1817-1875) and grandfather Ivan Ivanovich (1772-1825), something also about his sisters Maria (1851-1937), e.g. her ”Diary of a Russian Princess in a Bolsheviks Prison”, and Elisaveta (1855-1938) > Schouvaloff.
We know hat he was married twice, 1872 with Elena Orlova-Denissova and 1897 with Anna Pokhrovskaja. Besides the internet tells about A.V. Bariatinsky that he was ”в 1875 полковник, флигель-адъютант, в 1884 отчислен от командования полком и зачислен по армейской пехоте, далее жил в Париже, скончался генерал-майором в отставке” - that is: in a fairly good position at the court as a commander of a life guard regiment, until something happened or changed 1884.
I also know that he spent all his summers 1884-1894 in South-Eastern Finland, which was then part of Russia, some 200 km from St. Petersburg, in a house which was built for that purpose (and still exists). According to a local reminiscence he was ordered to change his place of residence every three months after his dismissal 1884 and living there was a part of that course of life until the reprieve 1894. I would appreciate any information or hints of sources about the Prince, reasons for dismissal, about his life, family etc. Originally it is a question of writing local history, but now I am also personally interested in the Prince's life as a part of the era.
Is there details of the book by Princess M Bariatinskaya please? and what was her married name?

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Re: Princes Baryatinsky
« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2008, 12:36:37 PM »
I don't know who's the officer pictured on the linked photo, but Baron Fredericks he's definitely not. The uniform he wears is that of Life Guard Hussars, not the Horse Guard. The Russian album's attribution is wrong.

Thanks for commenting. I know that better not trust too much this kind of sources. The man in the picture resembled to me however another "Baron Fredericks"  - see http://www.goldcompany.ru/photo/frederiks.jpg - so I believed the text in the picture.
But if the uniform is not what Bariatinsky refused to wear, I have to try to find another picture. Probably there are no photos of Bariatinsky himself.

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« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2008, 01:30:11 PM »
Is there details of the book by Princess M Bariatinskaya please? and what was her married name?
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I have found following details: Princess Maria Vladimirovna Bariatinskaia (born 29.4.1851, died 2.7.1937 Nice, France) was married twice: from 1882 with Grigori Petrovitch Izvolski (1854 - died in 1884 Menton, France), then from 1888 with her cousin Prince Ivan Victorovitch Bariatinski, son of Prince Victor Ivanovitch Bariatinski and Maria Apollinarievna Boutenieva, born 9 April 1857 Rome, died 9 June 1915.

The booklet "Diary of a Russian Princess in a Bolsheviks Prison" has been first published in English in Berlin, the year is unknown. Thanks to some co-incidences it was found some years ago, translated and published in 2003 in Russian in the periodical "Крымск альбом"(Crimean Album). The details of the Russian article are:
Дневник русской княгини в большевистской тюрьме. Январь 1918 г. / Барятинская Мария Владимировна; Публ. Иванова Людмила Михайловна, Пер. Литаш Ольга Андреевна. - Б.м.. - С. 72 - 107; 2003. [Вып. 8]. - 239 с.: ил.. - ISBN 5-942930-06-6

             
                
             
            
             
              

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« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2008, 03:41:04 PM »
Do yoy know if we can find this book in English or French somewhere? Thanks Amelia

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« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2008, 12:33:38 PM »
Do yoy know if we can find this book in English or French somewhere? Thanks Amelia
All I know is what the foreword of the Russian article says. For people in the Yalta state historic-literary museum it was a surprise when they as a result of some contacts received the original book in English from Washington. It was translated to Russian by Olga Litash and edited by Ljudmila Ivanova, who worked in the museum. So maybe someone in the Library of Congress in Washington or in that museum in Yalta could help. Maybe someone knows other libraries where to search copies of this kind of literature?

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« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2009, 12:06:00 AM »
Dear Raino, being owner of the Tyrolean Castle Schönwörth I'm interested in any information about Alexander Vladimirovich 22. Prince Bariatinski who has lived there for some years. Can you help me in finding out more about him?
Thank you in advance for any hint!

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« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2009, 12:11:26 AM »
Russian nobles in Tyrol, how did they live, buy castles, renew them, find relationships and finally leave the country? Especially the story of Alexander Vladimirovich 22. Prince Bariatinski and his young Italian lover is a very interesting one. Do you know anything about the noble, the castle or the couple?

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« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2009, 10:10:54 AM »
Russian nobles in Tyrol, how did they live, buy castles, renew them, find relationships and finally leave the country? Especially the story of Alexander Vladimirovich 22. Prince Bariatinski and his young Italian lover is a very interesting one. Do you know anything about the noble, the castle or the couple?

Glad to hear that there are others interested in the life of this prince Bariatinsky, but sorry to say that I do not know much more than what I have written earlier. I have sent e-mail to the municipality in Tiroli (Gemeindeamt Langkampfen) asking if there is more information but the result is no reply. However, there was last year an internet article about Niederbreitenbach region with a detailed illustration how the prince had renovated the castle:

(“Nun begann eine kurze Blütezeit des Ansitzes, der bisher nur aus dem rechteckigen, mit einem hohen Zeltdach versehenen, spätmittelalterlichen vierstöckigen Turm und einem Anbau an der Rückseite bestand. Bariatinsky ließ verschiedene Zubauten errichten, in den Remisen, Pferdeställe und Dienerwohnungen eingerichtet wurden. 1889 wurde an der Südseite ein schlanker Treppenturm aus Tuffstein angefügt. Dem Stiegenhaus fiel die bisherige Kapelle zum Opfer. An der Dorfseite wurde das Wappen des neuen Besitzers angebracht. Um mehr Raum für Besucher und Angestellte zu gewinnen, wurde das Innere des alten Turmes in kleine Zimmer unterteilt. 1890 wurde der Trakt mit dem Saal über der gewölbten Durchfahrt zum Park ausgebaut. Durch den Zukauf der umliegenden Gründe konnte ein schöner Park angelegt werden, der mit einer Mauer umgeben wurde. Das Innere wurde mit zugekauften alten Täfelungen, Türen, Holzdecken, Öfen und Möbeln prächtig ausgestattet. In einer Innsbrucker Firma wurden zahlreiche Glasfenster mit den Wappen der Familie Schurff angefertigt. Die Arbeiten im Schloss wurden von Jakob Hechenblaikner aus Innsbruck geleitet und größtenteils von einheimischen Handwerkern durchgeführt. Der Fürst führte hier ein wahrhaft fürstliches Leben und machte sich dadurch bei Teilen der konservativen Dorfbevölkerung unbeliebt, obwohl er die Gemeinde durchaus großzügig unterstützte. 1894 fühlte er sich hier nicht mehr besonders wohl und zog nach Frankreich“)

About the relationships and affairs: there are lots of articles of a younger and better known Alexander Vladimirovich Bariatinsky (1870-1910) and his affair with an Italian opera star. About the cousin of his father, Alexander Vladimirovich Bariatinsky (1848  - 1909) I have only found that he was married  with Elena Orlova-Denissova from 1872  till divorce and then with Anna Pokhrovskaja from 1897.
I wish you good luck in this search and promise to inform when something new emerges!