Born in Russia about 1910

[Nikl]

Midle of this month I came back from Czech Republic, where I was wisiting my family and also I tray to find out more informatioins about my grandmother.

From my family record I recovered, that my grandmother's adoptive parents divided in Vladivostok. My grandmother with her sister and her mother Nadezda Vochminova sailed away July 5, 1919 on ship "SIMBIRSK" and my grandfather left by warship "HUNDSEND".

Also interesting is, I find out from copy of my gradmother's birth certificate, that her adopive mother descent from family IOANNOV.

[Nikl]

Midle of this month I came back from Czech Republic, where I was wisiting my family and also I tray to find out more informatoins about my grandmother.

From my family record I recovered, that my grandmother's adoptive parents divided in Vladivostok. My grandmother with her sister and her mother Nadezda Vochminova sailed away July 5, 1919 on ship "SIMBIRSK" and my grandfather left by warship "HUNDSEND".

Also interesting, I find out from copy of my gradmother's birth certificate, that her adopive mother descent from family IOANNOV.

[Zecharia]

I am searching about my grandmother history. She was born in Russia in the year of 1910.  She already die in 1985.  Her name was Anna Vochminova.
 Anna was saved during revolution and adopted by widow merchant Nadezda Vochminova who consequently married a Czech legionar named Josef Bednar(Omsk or Yekaterinburg) who took her with his military unit when they were evacuated back to Czechoslovakia via Vladivostok and Italy.
All my family would like to know, who she really was.  My mother told me that her mother(Anna) told her some memory from her past when she live in Russia, before she was adopted. She was only young girl, but she remembered that she lived in the monastery and every Sunday some lady came visited her. Sometimes she took her to nice palace with waterworks and colonade.
I have some picture of my grandmother. I woud like to show to you.

When i wrote that: ...my gradmother remembered she lived in monastery, that remind me the story which wrote MASTER (guest) last year.
Here is par of that:

I am speaking of the first child that Michael and Natalia had.  It was a Girl and she was named Nicolina after Nicholas II to make amends between the brothers because Nicholas was not thrilled with and would not accept the marriage of his brother to Natalia....so to answer your comment, yes..... she is a direct decendant, she is Michael and Natalia's Great Grand Daughter.  And to make it official, she has the Birth Records to prove it!

Natalia while escaping from Russia left Nicolina in a Monestary because she thought she would be safe there under the care of the Tikon himself.  Natalia never came back for Nicolina who was left with nothing more than the clothes on her back, a small box containing her papers, her Order of St Catherines Medal, A beautiful Emerald and Diamond Necklace, earrings and a huge Emerald/Diamond ring...which I have seen and they are stunning.  They were left to ensure her safe keeping and were sent with her when she left the Monestary.

I heard story about Czar Nicholas. He had an illegitimate daughter. She was in monastery in Yekaterinburg.  One day her nurse-maid took her for a walk.
They walked around the house, where The Romanov family were imprisoned.  Suddenly a nurse poined the finger toward Czar Nicholas and said:
"This man, you see is your father".   

[Svetabel]

I am searching about my grandmother history. She was born in Russia in the year of 1910.  She already die in 1985.  Her name was Anna Vochminova.
 Anna was saved during revolution and adopted by widow merchant Nadezda Vochminova who consequently married a Czech legionar named Josef Bednar(Omsk or Yekaterinburg) who took her with his military unit when they were evacuated back to Czechoslovakia via Vladivostok and Italy.
All my family would like to know, who she really was.  My mother told me that her mother(Anna) told her some memory from her past when she live in Russia, before she was adopted. She was only young girl, but she remembered that she lived in the monastery and every Sunday some lady came visited her. Sometimes she took her to nice palace with waterworks and colonade.
I have some picture of my grandmother. I woud like to show to you.

When i wrote that: ...my gradmother remembered she lived in monastery, that remind me the story which wrote MASTER (guest) last year.
Here is par of that:

I am speaking of the first child that Michael and Natalia had.  It was a Girl and she was named Nicolina after Nicholas II to make amends between the brothers because Nicholas was not thrilled with and would not accept the marriage of his brother to Natalia....so to answer your comment, yes..... she is a direct decendant, she is Michael and Natalia's Great Grand Daughter.  And to make it official, she has the Birth Records to prove it!

Natalia while escaping from Russia left Nicolina in a Monestary because she thought she would be safe there under the care of the Tikon himself.  Natalia never came back for Nicolina who was left with nothing more than the clothes on her back, a small box containing her papers, her Order of St Catherines Medal, A beautiful Emerald and Diamond Necklace, earrings and a huge Emerald/Diamond ring...which I have seen and they are stunning.  They were left to ensure her safe keeping and were sent with her when she left the Monestary.

I heard story about Czar Nicholas. He had an illegitimate daughter. She was in monastery in Yekaterinburg.  One day her nurse-maid took her for a walk.
They walked around the house, where The Romanov family were imprisoned.  Suddenly a nurse poined the finger toward Czar Nicholas and said:
"This man, you see is your father".   

And where have you heard that story? Source, please?

[Zecharia]

I am searching about my grandmother history. She was born in Russia in the year of 1910.  She already die in 1985.  Her name was Anna Vochminova.
 Anna was saved during revolution and adopted by widow merchant Nadezda Vochminova who consequently married a Czech legionar named Josef Bednar(Omsk or Yekaterinburg) who took her with his military unit when they were evacuated back to Czechoslovakia via Vladivostok and Italy.
All my family would like to know, who she really was.  My mother told me that her mother(Anna) told her some memory from her past when she live in Russia, before she was adopted. She was only young girl, but she remembered that she lived in the monastery and every Sunday some lady came visited her. Sometimes she took her to nice palace with waterworks and colonade.
I have some picture of my grandmother. I woud like to show to you.

When i wrote that: ...my gradmother remembered she lived in monastery, that remind me the story which wrote MASTER (guest) last year.
Here is par of that:

I am speaking of the first child that Michael and Natalia had.  It was a Girl and she was named Nicolina after Nicholas II to make amends between the brothers because Nicholas was not thrilled with and would not accept the marriage of his brother to Natalia....so to answer your comment, yes..... she is a direct decendant, she is Michael and Natalia's Great Grand Daughter.  And to make it official, she has the Birth Records to prove it!

Natalia while escaping from Russia left Nicolina in a Monestary because she thought she would be safe there under the care of the Tikon himself.  Natalia never came back for Nicolina who was left with nothing more than the clothes on her back, a small box containing her papers, her Order of St Catherines Medal, A beautiful Emerald and Diamond Necklace, earrings and a huge Emerald/Diamond ring...which I have seen and they are stunning.  They were left to ensure her safe keeping and were sent with her when she left the Monestary.

I heard story about Czar Nicholas. He had an illegitimate daughter. She was in monastery in Yekaterinburg.  One day her nurse-maid took her for a walk.
They walked around the house, where The Romanov family were imprisoned.  Suddenly a nurse poined the finger toward Czar Nicholas and said:
"This man, you see is your father".   

And where have you heard that story? Source, please?

The girl in a monastery was my mother.

[Svetabel]

Really? Interesting story...

[*Tina*]

I am searching about my grandmother history. She was born in Russia in the year of 1910.  She already die in 1985.  Her name was Anna Vochminova.
 Anna was saved during revolution and adopted by widow merchant Nadezda Vochminova who consequently married a Czech legionar named Josef Bednar(Omsk or Yekaterinburg) who took her with his military unit when they were evacuated back to Czechoslovakia via Vladivostok and Italy.
All my family would like to know, who she really was.  My mother told me that her mother(Anna) told her some memory from her past when she live in Russia, before she was adopted. She was only young girl, but she remembered that she lived in the monastery and every Sunday some lady came visited her. Sometimes she took her to nice palace with waterworks and colonade.
I have some picture of my grandmother. I woud like to show to you.

When i wrote that: ...my gradmother remembered she lived in monastery, that remind me the story which wrote MASTER (guest) last year.
Here is par of that:

I am speaking of the first child that Michael and Natalia had.  It was a Girl and she was named Nicolina after Nicholas II to make amends between the brothers because Nicholas was not thrilled with and would not accept the marriage of his brother to Natalia....so to answer your comment, yes..... she is a direct decendant, she is Michael and Natalia's Great Grand Daughter.  And to make it official, she has the Birth Records to prove it!

Natalia while escaping from Russia left Nicolina in a Monestary because she thought she would be safe there under the care of the Tikon himself.  Natalia never came back for Nicolina who was left with nothing more than the clothes on her back, a small box containing her papers, her Order of St Catherines Medal, A beautiful Emerald and Diamond Necklace, earrings and a huge Emerald/Diamond ring...which I have seen and they are stunning.  They were left to ensure her safe keeping and were sent with her when she left the Monestary.

I heard story about Czar Nicholas. He had an illegitimate daughter. She was in monastery in Yekaterinburg.  One day her nurse-maid took her for a walk.
They walked around the house, where The Romanov family were imprisoned.  Suddenly a nurse poined the finger toward Czar Nicholas and said:
"This man, you see is your father".   

And where have you heard that story? Source, please?

The girl in a monastery was my mother.

Um, I actually can't really believe that... I mean, it's a little too... unbelievable. Sorry... but I just don't believe this. There's no actual source that... your mother was actually the illegitimate daughter of the last Tsar of Russia.

[Zecharia]

I am searching about my grandmother history. She was born in Russia in the year of 1910.  She already die in 1985.  Her name was Anna Vochminova.
 Anna was saved during revolution and adopted by widow merchant Nadezda Vochminova who consequently married a Czech legionar named Josef Bednar(Omsk or Yekaterinburg) who took her with his military unit when they were evacuated back to Czechoslovakia via Vladivostok and Italy.
All my family would like to know, who she really was.  My mother told me that her mother(Anna) told her some memory from her past when she live in Russia, before she was adopted. She was only young girl, but she remembered that she lived in the monastery and every Sunday some lady came visited her. Sometimes she took her to nice palace with waterworks and colonade.
I have some picture of my grandmother. I woud like to show to you.

When i wrote that: ...my gradmother remembered she lived in monastery, that remind me the story which wrote MASTER (guest) last year.
Here is par of that:

I am speaking of the first child that Michael and Natalia had.  It was a Girl and she was named Nicolina after Nicholas II to make amends between the brothers because Nicholas was not thrilled with and would not accept the marriage of his brother to Natalia....so to answer your comment, yes..... she is a direct decendant, she is Michael and Natalia's Great Grand Daughter.  And to make it official, she has the Birth Records to prove it!

Natalia while escaping from Russia left Nicolina in a Monestary because she thought she would be safe there under the care of the Tikon himself.  Natalia never came back for Nicolina who was left with nothing more than the clothes on her back, a small box containing her papers, her Order of St Catherines Medal, A beautiful Emerald and Diamond Necklace, earrings and a huge Emerald/Diamond ring...which I have seen and they are stunning.  They were left to ensure her safe keeping and were sent with her when she left the Monestary.

I heard story about Czar Nicholas. He had an illegitimate daughter. She was in monastery in Yekaterinburg.  One day her nurse-maid took her for a walk.
They walked around the house, where The Romanov family were imprisoned.  Suddenly a nurse poined the finger toward Czar Nicholas and said:
"This man, you see is your father".   

And where have you heard that story? Source, please?

The girl in a monastery was my mother.

Um, I actually can't really believe that... I mean, it's a little too... unbelievable. Sorry... but I just don't believe this. There's no actual source that... your mother was actually the illegitimate daughter of the last Tsar of Russia.

Way would my mother tell me the story like this?

Only what my family think about that is, that the nurse ment, this is your father. (The father of all Russia)

[Zecharia]

I sent request about some information to Czech embassy in Yekaterinburg. So far any answers
I wonder if somebody would know e-mail address of birth record in Yekaterinburg?
My grandmother's certificate of birth was duplicate, so I do know if she realy was born in 1910.

If somebody is interesting, here is web page about Czech legioners in Russia.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A4241062
In May I am going to Prague, so I will try to find some informations in military archive there.

Today I found story about Czech legionars in Russia:

Czech prisoners-of-war, who had joined the Russian army after being captured from the Austrian army, joined the ranks of Kerensky, and it was these men who won Kerensky’s initial successes in the civil war. Knwon as the Czech Legion, they fought the Germans as a separate unit under the leadership of Masaryk until Brest-Litovsk ended that fighting. Trotsky gave them his agreement that they had his permission to travel through Russia to the Western Front so that they could continue their campaign against the Germans. The one proviso was that the Czechs had to leave their weapons behind. As soon as the first units of the Czechs surrendered their weapons, the Red Guards shot them. This was to prove a costly error as it was obvious that the other men could not trust what Trotsky had promised. The Czech Legion was made up of seasoned soldiers with plenty of fighting experience. They captured the strategic city of Simbirsk and between May 1918 and August 1918, captured so much territory  that they controlled the Trans-Siberian railway from Simbirsk to Vladivostok. The Czechs were to prove a serious problem to Trotsky – as the Communist military commander in the civil war. His task of defeating the Whites was made a great deal more difficult by the Czechs – if he had kept his word and let them move freely out of Russia, this problem would not have occurred. The Politburo blamed this solely on Trotsky – and the man who led the critics was Joseph Stalin.

The success of the Czech Legion may well have sealed the fate of the royal family. They had been sent by Kerensky to Tobolsk in Siberia where they were under house arrest. As the Czechs had the power to threaten Tobolsk, they were brought back to Ekateringburg. However, in the early stages of the civil war, the Whites threatened this city. While the royal family was alive, they could inspire the Whites. Therefore, Lenin ordered their execution. This was carried out on July 16th, 1918.


Is this story true?

[Zecharia]

Really? Interesting story...

She was adopted by Russian people who want to save her.  Before she lived in a monastery.

[Amely]

Try to build some Family Tree on ancestor.com - they have a lot of passanger lists etc that kind of material.

It might be very difficult to find anything about the roots in Russia. The life in St. Petersburg was a mess in those days before the Revolution. Then there was all kind of people coming into St.Petersburg - farmes, farm workers, former landslaves (free two years before the slaves in USA), noble people that had become poor. However, your grandmother looks very well off. I assume that she was a member and baptized by the Eastern Orthodox Church (that had the monasteries, too). So if such church archives have not been distroyed and will be open for public one day then that might be some possibility.

There is also the problem that many well of or noble or famous people were on some kind of killing lists and they feared for their lives. Then they changed their names and identities e.g. with their servants and might have given wrong information about their identities (e.g. birth dates and places, parents etc). Some people wanted to start a new life in foreign countries and they on the other hand took names and started to use names of some famous people they knew and that might have even already died in those days in St. Petersburg. (I am investigating a case as I have found a copy in America of my ancestors family that died 1918 in Russia. I know that they have really died, but there is some information that there might be a similar family in America...some death register gives this, but I am not quite sure yet...)

I would like to be in touch with you, but how could it be possible... How could we change e-mail adresses?

[Zecharia]

I am searching about my grandmother history. She was born in Russia in the year of 1910.  She already die in 1985.  Her name was Anna Vochminova.
 Anna was saved during revolution and adopted by widow merchant Nadezda Vochminova who consequently married a Czech legionar named Josef Bednar(Omsk or Yekaterinburg) who took her with his military unit when they were evacuated back to Czechoslovakia via Vladivostok and Italy.
All my family would like to know, who she really was.  My mother told me that her mother(Anna) told her some memory from her past when she live in Russia, before she was adopted. She was only young girl, but she remembered that she lived in the monastery and every Sunday some lady came visited her. Sometimes she took her to nice palace with waterworks and colonade.
I have some picture of my grandmother. I woud like to show to you.

When i wrote that: ...my gradmother remembered she lived in monastery, that remind me the story which wrote MASTER (guest) last year.
Here is par of that:

I am speaking of the first child that Michael and Natalia had.  It was a Girl and she was named Nicolina after Nicholas II to make amends between the brothers because Nicholas was not thrilled with and would not accept the marriage of his brother to Natalia....so to answer your comment, yes..... she is a direct decendant, she is Michael and Natalia's Great Grand Daughter.  And to make it official, she has the Birth Records to prove it!

Natalia while escaping from Russia left Nicolina in a Monestary because she thought she would be safe there under the care of the Tikon himself.  Natalia never came back for Nicolina who was left with nothing more than the clothes on her back, a small box containing her papers, her Order of St Catherines Medal, A beautiful Emerald and Diamond Necklace, earrings and a huge Emerald/Diamond ring...which I have seen and they are stunning.  They were left to ensure her safe keeping and were sent with her when she left the Monestary.

I heard story about Czar Nicholas. He had an illegitimate daughter. She was in monastery in Yekaterinburg.  One day her nurse-maid took her for a walk.
They walked around the house, where The Romanov family were imprisoned.  Suddenly a nurse poined the finger toward Czar Nicholas and said:
"This man, you see is your father".   

And where have you heard that story? Source, please?

Rumours also circulated that year that Vova might not be the only child of Nicholas and Mathilde. She had spent a solitary summer the previous year at her dacha while the Tsar also holidayed alone at a nearby palace. Mathilde then disappeared to a friend’s estate in the Spring of 1911 to be joined by her brother, Joseph and his wife Celina. The couple reappeared in St Petersburg in November with a baby girl also named Celina. The suspicion that the daughter was of Imperial stock was compounded by Mathilde’s excessive fondness of her new “niece” whom she treated exactly the same as Vova, and her later talent as a dancer.

[Rasputin]

I am searching about my grandmother history. She was born in Russia in the year of 1910.  She already die in 1985.  Her name was Anna Vochminova.
 Anna was saved during revolution and adopted by widow merchant Nadezda Vochminova who consequently married a Czech legionar named Josef Bednar(Omsk or Yekaterinburg) who took her with his military unit when they were evacuated back to Czechoslovakia via Vladivostok and Italy.
All my family would like to know, who she really was.  My mother told me that her mother(Anna) told her some memory from her past when she live in Russia, before she was adopted. She was only young girl, but she remembered that she lived in the monastery and every Sunday some lady came visited her. Sometimes she took her to nice palace with waterworks and colonade.
I have some picture of my grandmother. I woud like to show to you.

This is an original letter (in Czech language) which I got from my granddad in 1965, just before he died.  When I will have a little more time, I will try to translate the letter to english  
I am sure, that on this forum are Czech people, who could translate meantime the letter to somebody, who is intereting

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nikl/

[Rasputin]

I am searching about my grandmother history. She was born in Russia in the year of 1910.  She already die in 1985.  Her name was Anna Vochminova.
 Anna was saved during revolution and adopted by widow merchant Nadezda Vochminova who consequently married a Czech legionar named Josef Bednar(Omsk or Yekaterinburg) who took her with his military unit when they were evacuated back to Czechoslovakia via Vladivostok and Italy.
All my family would like to know, who she really was.  My mother told me that her mother(Anna) told her some memory from her past when she live in Russia, before she was adopted. She was only young girl, but she remembered that she lived in the monastery and every Sunday some lady came visited her. Sometimes she took her to nice palace with waterworks and colonade.
I have some picture of my grandmother. I woud like to show to you.

This is an original letter (in Czech language) which I got from my granddad in 1965, just before he died.  When I will have a little more time, I will try to translate the letter to english  
I am sure, that on this forum are Czech people, who could translate meantime the letter to somebody, who is intereting

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nikl/

Here is translation of the letter.

Dear Jiri,
I am writing to you the truth about origin of your mother.

I had been living in Russia for 18 years, where I worked as a violonist.
In the year of 1917 I embarkted  voluntarily do Czechoslovak Legie which fought again communist troops.
In 1918 we were located in Omsk, were I met widow Nadezda Vochminova. She had 2 daughters, Tonia and Anna.
We got merried in Omsk same year. She told me, that her decesed husband originate from Emperor family.
Tonia was her own daughter, but Anna was daughter of Nicholas's family and when Communist shot dead  Nicholas family, someabody rescued Anna and Nadezda Vochminova and her husband adopted her...

[Rasputin]

I am searching about my grandmother history. She was born in Russia in the year of 1910.  She already die in 1985.  Her name was Anna Vochminova.
 Anna was saved during revolution and adopted by widow merchant Nadezda Vochminova who consequently married a Czech legionar named Josef Bednar(Omsk or Yekaterinburg) who took her with his military unit when they were evacuated back to Czechoslovakia via Vladivostok and Italy.
All my family would like to know, who she really was.  My mother told me that her mother(Anna) told her some memory from her past when she live in Russia, before she was adopted. She was only young girl, but she remembered that she lived in the monastery and every Sunday some lady came visited her. Sometimes she took her to nice palace with waterworks and colonade.
I have some picture of my grandmother. I woud like to show to you.

This is an original letter (in Czech language) which I got from my granddad in 1965, just before he died.  When I will have a little more time, I will try to translate the letter to english  
I am sure, that on this forum are Czech people, who could translate meantime the letter to somebody, who is intereting

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nikl/

Here is translation of the letter.

Dear Jiri,
I am writing to you the truth about origin of your mother.

I had been living in Russia for 18 years, where I worked as a violonist.
In the year of 1917 I embarkted  voluntarily do Czechoslovak Legie which fought again communist troops.
In 1918 we were located in Omsk, were I met widow Nadezda Vochminova. She had 2 daughters, Tonia and Anna.
We got merried in Omsk same year. She told me, that her decesed husband originate from Emperor family.
Tonia was her own daughter, but Anna was daughter of Nicholas's family and when Communist shot dead  Nicholas family, someabody rescued Anna and Nadezda Vochminova and her husband adopted her...

Here is some memories of my mother:



All of this brings various memories of my mother.She was in Czechoslovakia for over twenty five years at my birth and for uncertain reasons her recolection of life in Russia was at the time I was old enough to listen to her stories very dim and incomplete.Perhaps the trauma of losing her parents and being adopted was causing hers memory to withdraw,
However,we all enjoyed what she remembered and told us.
Three things that sticks to my mind was that she was living for while in klaster(cloistery?)under the care of nuns.One day the soldiers came to this klaster and demanded that they(nuns)tell them where she(my mother of youth)is.My mother was hidden behind the heavy curtains of windows and they never found her.
The second event was that she was smuggled inside one of the barrels on horse carriage.She recalled that the soldiers were pounding on the top of barrels with the canes but again they did not find her.We kids found it very exciting and mysterious not realizing that it was very difficult time for our mother.Perhaps that was why she did not talk very much about that
Third event(probably first one chronologically)was her memory of Christmas celebration in big mansion with gigantic christmas tree and many people and man she thought her father welcoming visitors.I think that all her memories were just like a dream to her at that time she was telling about them to us.