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Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
« Reply #285 on: November 26, 2012, 10:40:46 PM »
Von Hartenau. Assen was married in 1934 to Bertha Hussa in Vienna. His sister was married in New York in  1924 to Charles Boissevain--she died relatively young, at 42. Neither had any children. Assen did adopt his wife's son by a previous marriage and gave him his surname.  

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« Reply #286 on: November 26, 2012, 10:59:52 PM »
Thank you. Appreciate it very much. The pictures are new to me. :-)

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« Reply #287 on: November 27, 2012, 06:26:35 AM »
Wow!! Assen looks exactly as his mother, Johanna!!

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« Reply #288 on: November 27, 2012, 01:41:35 PM »
Love to see more of them if such photos exist. I wonder if they remain close to the Battenbergs.

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Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
« Reply #289 on: November 27, 2012, 04:25:38 PM »
They were mostly published in the German and Austrian magazines and newspapers. Even then, not too many. I wonder where the family archives ended up? I suppose, if the material wasn't handed over to the main Hessian archives, it would be with Assen's descendants?

I don't think there was too close a relationship, at least not one mentioned with much frequency in the memoirs of Victoria Milford Haven or the published memoirs of Princess Marie. The latter mentions Johanna only in passing and without much warmth. The family also lived in Austria so there was a geographically separation as well, especially post-WW1. She remained in Vienna even after WW2 as did her son.  Perhaps this morganatically founded family had issues with an opera singer? At least, Julie Hauke came from a noble background.

I think Marie mentions her somewhat in connection with the burial of Alexander in Bulgaria? If I can remember, it had to do with her agreeing for him to be buried as their former ruler, knowing that she wouldn't be buried with him.

You can see the graves of Johanna and Zwetana here:

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« Reply #290 on: November 28, 2012, 12:56:00 AM »
Thanks for the info. I guess they were on the lower pecking order even within the "morgentic issues". Sad that the families of Marie, VMH, Francis Joseph or Beatrice failed to reached out to this family. 

So the family remained in Austria throughout their lives ?

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« Reply #291 on: November 28, 2012, 10:27:10 AM »
There could've been a relationship, it's just never been noted in the memoirs or books on the family. If there was one, it doesn't seem to have been close. I don't know about Zwetana (she didn't marry or die in Austria but she's buried there) but Johanna and Assene seem to have spent their lives in Vienna.
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Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
« Reply #292 on: November 28, 2012, 10:33:58 AM »
What I remember about Assen Hartenau was that he might have had some physical handicap.  This is just off the top of my head so don't quote me!!!  I think it was cerebral palsy.  And, another thing that comes to mind is that Lord Mountbatten may have been in touch with him, but again, these are just fleeting blips in my brain at this point, so I could be wrong!
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Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
« Reply #293 on: November 28, 2012, 10:45:56 AM »
Perhaps this morganatically founded family had issues with an opera singer? At least, Julie Hauke came from a noble background.

I have read somewhere that Queen Victoria has some sympathies for Johanna...

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« Reply #294 on: November 28, 2012, 10:50:17 PM »
Thanks Ilana for the additional bits. I think Lord Louis Mountbatten was very much a family man whose clannish feelings were well known. I wonder if he ever knew his eldest half-sister Jeanne, daughter of his father and Lily Langtry...by blood a Battenberg.

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« Reply #295 on: November 29, 2012, 10:13:38 AM »
Lord Mountbatten did keep in touch with Jeanne Marie's family.
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« Reply #296 on: November 29, 2012, 01:28:20 PM »
Yes. That would what I expect out of him. He also was very friendly with his cousin Ena, even though his sister Alice did not particularly care for her. In fact I don't think they were ever in a photo together as I recall...

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« Reply #297 on: November 29, 2012, 02:50:50 PM »
Alice & Ena? They were both in photos from their time as bridesmaids to George V and Queen Mary. As adults? Their lives went on widely divergent paths. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't interact much.
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« Reply #298 on: November 29, 2012, 03:14:55 PM »
They were also together in the group shot in The Queen´s wedding photo...

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« Reply #299 on: November 29, 2012, 03:44:09 PM »
Hugo Vickers who wrote the book on Princess Alice told me that Alice did not like the way that Ena waved in public as sort of attention grabbing. Later VMH & Princess Beatrice also fell out so the two branches were not in harmony with each other.

Ena got along much better with Baby Bee & Alice of Athlone than Alice of Battenberg. Although apart from the waving story, the reason of that antipathy was not well known.