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Re: The Tsarina's Daughter - Carolly Erickson
« Reply #60 on: November 20, 2008, 09:20:45 PM »
I agree completely....this book was total trash!!

I too enjoyed Alexandra, as well as Erickson's other novel about Marie Antoinette. In fact, I thought it was wonderful. I jumped for joy and ordered this book the second I saw it, and I payed a pretty penny too.

I was never one of those people that say a book was so bad that they couldn't even enjoy it. That was until I read this book. It was so riddled with errors. Author's creative license or not, when one is writing a book about such a documented time in history, they simply can't veer off so ridiculously without expecting immense anger and backlash from ardent fans such as ourselves.

The whole sex thing, the treatment of Alix, the ridiculous portrayals of Nicholas as a pushover womanizer, Olga a jerk, Minnie Feodorovna as a wicked grandmother, the lack of sisterly love, and the RIDICULOUS ending and subplot about Tania leaving the palace to live among the ranks as a peasant was simply too too much.

Just...BLECCH.

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Re: The Tsarina's Daughter - Carolly Erickson
« Reply #61 on: November 21, 2008, 12:15:10 PM »
I do like some of Carolly Erickson's non-fiction works.. her book about regency England is excellent.

I've started reading this book (got it out of the library) and -- well, I understand people here getting annoyed over liberties that most people wouldn't notice, but again, it is a work of fiction and she can write anything she wants...and we are free to be annoyed about what she writes.

Having said that, I'm not sure I'll even finish, but skim... she kind of lost me when she had Tatiana sneaking out to the factory to hand out food... even fiction has to be somewhere in the realm of possibility....
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« Reply #62 on: November 21, 2008, 03:41:04 PM »
What?  :o

Glad I never found this book in the Barns and noble, or I would have thrown it away, it sounds very odd and out of character. I'm pretty sure the Grand Duchess Tatiana would be appalled by this fiction book wring about her. I'm Very disappointed in Carolly Erickson with her work of Tatiana, sleeping with a doctor and solders? what the hell? Now a book am not longer for.


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« Reply #63 on: November 21, 2008, 04:35:40 PM »
Why does Tatiana have sex with a doctor hidden in aunt Olgas separee? A Grand Duchess would never do that and later she does it again with a soldier, who was wounded and healed by her with very intense care...her dog is "Artipo" all the way through, where is "Ortino", who was a gift her first lover?
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Tatiana ? Having sex ?  :o I would never imagine it, so write it ... Unbelievable...
I know this is a fiction and that the author has the right to write whatever she wants but the fact that it's from a true story counts . You can't expect people saying that your book is good if the major historical details are wrong and if most of the characters are completely wicked ..  >:(

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« Reply #64 on: November 21, 2008, 10:27:17 PM »
It's incredibly disappointing. I've seen a few books about Olga, unfortunately none of Maria, and of course A LOT about Anastasia - whether it's about the real Anastasia or about Anna Anderson, or both - but I was looking so much forward to this one because there hasn't been a fictional or non-fictional book book about Tatiana Nikolaevna yet, and it's a shame that the plot is so unbelievable. I hope one day her diary might be released!


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« Reply #65 on: December 04, 2008, 05:04:43 PM »
I just finished reading it and though I found it incredibly unbelievable plot wise (especially the sex part, as mentioned), it made for a fun read when I used my imagination.  Still, I'd rather read her biographies any day.  I just hope there isn't someone gulible enough to believe this silliness, even if it was somewhat entertaining.  I often found myself thinking how out of character so many real historical figures were but I suppose that's the beauty of taking historical and artistic liberties and I just tried to ignore the indescrepancies and enjoy the book.  In the end, though, my demand for historical accuracy always gets in the way of my ability to enjoy a fictional retelling of events.       

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Re: The Tsarina's Daughter - Carolly Erickson
« Reply #66 on: December 04, 2008, 05:32:24 PM »
Unfortunatelly there are people who believe such things. On a Czech forum I met several people claiming very similar nonsenses - not only about Romanovs but other royals as well. Whne I asked thier sources, they were usually not very well written beletry books.

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« Reply #67 on: January 18, 2009, 12:00:04 AM »
The novel by Carolly Erickson entitled "The Tsarina's Daughter,"  was a fun read, a great fiction laced with historical events, places, and people.  The story is told from the first person perspective of Tatiana Nicholaievna, who is now an elderly woman living in Saskatchewan, having survived the revolution of 1918.   I  feel, compelled as a student of history to pan the novel.  Erickson obviously did NOT do her homework on the Romanov family, if she did she would have selected Olga  as the main character and not her prim and proper, soft spoken sister Tatiana.  I say Olga because she was more inclined to be rebellious, and more worldly then the rest of her sisters.   

Some of the things Tatiana was made to do and say in the book was WAY far fetched in my opinion, especially for that time period.  She also shot at Rasputin in book, which I found to be a bit shocking and it seemed heavily implied  Nicolas and Alexandra were unfaithful to one another.  The parts that really bothered me was how Erickson portrayed her Aunt Olga as VERY liberal to the point that she would, assist Tatiana in her sexual escapades, and keep it from her family.

It just doesn't seem to fit Tatiana's character at all.  I remember an incident where Tatiana was so upset about a lude photo that was shown to herself and Olga, on the Standart I believe, not mention the guards off coloured joke that bothered her so in captivity. 

The novel succeeded in making everyone in the Imperial Family look like insane, stupid and without a clue of ANYTHING at all. 
 

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« Reply #68 on: January 18, 2009, 12:02:13 AM »
P.s. Everyone but Tatiana

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« Reply #69 on: January 18, 2009, 12:23:44 AM »
I believe it's a bad book..In fact, too rude and without any historical background..
Maybe the author purposely made this as fiction.
But he/she is so bad to defile the IF.

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« Reply #70 on: January 18, 2009, 07:16:30 AM »
Just thought that I would mention that this book was a good read - historical entertainment. It was a novel!! Fiction!! It did denigrate N & A to a ridiculous level and some will take offence at the somewhat skewed events and characters. But it is fiction!! It was written a little too childish for my tastes but it will appeal to many. One thing I loved was the "Note to the Reader" at the end of the book - "...what I hope emerges from the congeries of invention is an image of Tatiana Romanov's world,and of the darkness that closed over it at her brief life's end. The real Tatiana was not allowed to escape that darkness, but the fictional one overcame it, and lives, in these pages and in our hearts."
Haven't we all wished history had been different and that they may have had the chance to live? Would a new history have evolved and been better or worse!!

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« Reply #71 on: January 18, 2009, 07:22:41 AM »
Just thought that I would mention that this book was a good read - historical entertainment. It was a novel!! Fiction!! It did denigrate N & A to a ridiculous level and some will take offence at the somewhat skewed events and characters. But it is fiction!! It was written a little too childish for my tastes but it will appeal to many. One thing I loved was the "Note to the Reader" at the end of the book - "...what I hope emerges from the congeries of invention is an image of Tatiana Romanov's world,and of the darkness that closed over it at her brief life's end. The real Tatiana was not allowed to escape that darkness, but the fictional one overcame it, and lives, in these pages and in our hearts."
Haven't we all wished history had been different and that they may have had the chance to live? Would a new history have evolved and been better or worse!!

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Re: The Tsarina's Daughter - Carolly Erickson
« Reply #72 on: January 18, 2009, 07:43:09 AM »
I haven't read the book yet myself, but if as you say the events and characters are "somewhat skewed," and "N&A are denigrated to a ridiculous level," I wonder how the author can hope to create "an image of Tatiana Romanov's world"?

As far as Romanov fans are concerned, perhaps Speculative Fiction would have been a better and more palatable label for this story?

Historical novels that take such liberties do not appeal to my personal taste, but as you pointed out, it's fiction, which means the author has a right to do what she likes. The downside of those choices seems to be that she's alienating such a large chunk of this book's potential audience.
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Re: The Tsarina's Daughter - Carolly Erickson
« Reply #73 on: January 18, 2009, 09:14:56 AM »
I skimmed through it, and snickered quite a bit. There is a scene where Olga tosses her slipper over her shoulder at a family dinner party and "accidentally" causes the Dowager Empress to spill wine down the front of her dress when she hits her. There is also a scene in which Alexandra decides what she is going to wear that defies belief. All I could think of was an old Saturday Night Live sketch entitled "What would World War II have been like if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings and could fly?"

There are at least two others in this genre that use Tatiana as the main character, or at least A main character. Devoted Friends by Joe Poyer, published in 1982, which is the story of an American diplomat who falls in love with Olga first and then, after Olga turns out to be kind of unpleasant, with Tatiana. And guess what? He manages to get her out of Russia. All kidding aside, it is a pretty good thriller, much better than Erickson's, though not as good as City of Shadows or A Pride of Royals.

There was also a book in which Tatiana was turned into a vampire --- by Rasputin, I think --- and teamed up with other vampires like Lord Byron to fight the bad vampires. No historical accuracy at all, but trust me, that was the least of the book's problems. As I recall, she spent the first couple of years of her vampireness taking care of the Ipatiev guards. Terrible doesn't begin to describe this, and I have successfully blocked the title from my memory.

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Re: The Tsarina's Daughter - Carolly Erickson
« Reply #74 on: January 18, 2009, 10:00:18 AM »
I believe that even a fiction - that fiction based on real person - should have enough respect for the one person it´s telling about! I used to be in contact with great Czech writer Ludmila Vankova, who wrote beautiful FICTIONAL books about royals and she once wrote to me, that every author wanting to write about somebody should make an extent research and should follow the things that are known. There are plenty information on Tatiana and whole Imperial family, and their story itself would do thrilling and moving plot line. I don´t see a point in making all those violations to historical characters.