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Re: The Tsarina's Daughter - Carolly Erickson
« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2008, 07:22:59 PM »
And it isn't really about Tatiana's life. It's a story about what could have happened if Tatiana escaped and married.

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« Reply #46 on: September 12, 2008, 12:58:00 AM »
how disappointing :( whats the use?

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Re: The Tsarina's Daughter - Carolly Erickson
« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2008, 01:51:07 AM »
Well, those who know nothing ybout the Imperial family will have another reason to believe someone escaped.

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Re: The Tsarina's Daughter - Carolly Erickson
« Reply #48 on: September 12, 2008, 02:07:32 AM »
Exatly Hollly! My mum once suggested me to write someting like that, bud I rafused becuase I would hate myself for letting something like this to "go out". I hope to write a novel about OTMA, but if I do, I´m going to cech the corectness of historic events!!! I like ficitonal books, but they must not be totally fictional!

It really doesn´t seem as if Mrs. Ericsson did that.

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« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2008, 03:13:29 PM »
We Tudor history fans feel your pain, having suffered through many volumes of sorely inaccurate novels set in our period of interest by Phillipa Gregory.

Let's hope this book generates serious interest in real history.  I myself was bitten by the history bug reading a novel called "The Tower and The Dream" by Jan Westcott, whose main character was Bess of Hardwicke, Elizabeth I's contemporary.  It may not have been perfect, but it captured my imagination and led me to a degree in History eventually.

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« Reply #50 on: October 08, 2008, 05:25:36 PM »
I came across this book for sale the other day and picked it up and flipped through it a bit.  Some of it takes place during Tatiana's actual life, but then she ends up escaping the murder of her family, grows up, etc.  As I was reading bits of it during the part that was supposedly real I noticed some serious errors there as well.  I guess people were getting tired of Anastasia escape stories so Carolly Erickson wrote one about Tatiana.  Overall it's quite disappointing.       

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Re: The Tsarina's Daughter - Carolly Erickson
« Reply #51 on: October 08, 2008, 09:02:28 PM »
They featured the book in this magazine of my mother's. She pointed it out and the summary was hilarious. "Mentally-ill mother" and something to the effect of an indulgent, rich father. They also called her "bolder" than Anastasia. :D
"Господь им дал дар по молитвам их размягчать окаменелые наши сердца за их страдания..Мне думается, что если люди будут молиться Царской Cемье, оттают сердца с Божией помощью."

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« Reply #52 on: October 15, 2008, 01:13:41 AM »
They featured the book in this magazine of my mother's. She pointed it out and the summary was hilarious. "Mentally-ill mother" and something to the effect of an indulgent, rich father. They also called her "bolder" than Anastasia. :D

oh god. i really hate the author i think they are trying to put some disinfo so peope don't know history anymore?

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Re: The Tsarina's Daughter - Carolly Erickson
« Reply #53 on: October 21, 2008, 01:38:46 AM »
Hello,

Well, I have waited a long time to get the new book by Carolly Erickson and was glad when I finally received it- in Germany it s not that easy to get English books. ;)
But when I started to read it- and Erickson stated that this is a fictional novel- I soon got angry and bored by it. The story deals with the fact that Tatiana is the main figure of the novel (great- my favourite Grand Duchess) and she survives in the end.
The story starts when Alexei is born and Tatiana is seven years old- not six like Erickson says- first mistake. The main attention is put on Tatiana, but her sisters, especially Anastasia and Marie are completely left put in the shadow, Erickson mentiones them, like Alexei only from time to time- but the girls were more close and especially Olga and Tatiana, the "Big Pair". In Ericksons novel Olga is sometimes pretty mean to Tatiana and I do not think that it was usual to them.
Minnie, the Dowager Empress, is described as a bad mean old (sorry) "bitch", who s only pleasure is to attack Alix and even bring her in contact with Dr. Freud to force her to attend a sanatorium at Berlin in 1913, when the family visits the wedding of Viktoria Luise of Prussia!
The family never was to Berlin at that time, only Nicholas attended the wedding and okay, I do not like the Dowager Empress at all, but I do not think she was so bad to Alix. They had their quarrels, but to state her "nuts" is something different.
Tatiana gets very early in contact with workers and flees with a mil maid from the palace in the mornings to bring food to the poor ones.
Strange- cause to flee would be more like Anastasias character, and Marie was the one to care very deep heartly for soldiers, the poor ones and so on.
Tatiana is characterized so badly in the novel, fiction is okay- but historical facts are completely mixed up or left out. Why is Livadia not mentioned? The carefree holidays? Why does Tatiana have sex with a doctor hidden in aunt Olgas separee? A Grand Duchess would never do that and later she does it again with a soldier, who was wounded and healed by her with very intense care...her dog is "Artipo" all the way through, where is "Ortino", who was a gift her first lover? Why is Nicholas discribed as a men, who does not be able to do anything- nothing for his State- a complete weak man with a nuts woman and finally comes Rasputin and rapes a woman in the palace-

well, I m pretty sorry, this is the most worse fiction I ve ever read and it s not, because I knew the story of the Romanovs, their characters and so on- but if someone, who had never heard of them would ask me to recommend a book about a Grand Duchess- I would not mention this one!

Carolly Erickson did a good job on the book about Alexandra- that s true. But she should have read more herself about Tatiana and her family.

Sorry, now you can throw me in the deepest hole for my critics (virtually), but I was so dissapointed about the book.

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Re: The Tsarina's Daughter - Carolly Erickson
« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2008, 02:11:13 AM »
Oh my.... I wasn´t expecting anything great since I wasn´t too satisfied with "alexandra" and I have a dislike fo books that state anybody of the family survived.

But several things really shocked me. Tatiana having sex ????!!!!! Impossible, preposterous, nonsense!!!!!! Dowager Empress being "bithcy" to Alix? No way! She disliked her, and probably they had some conflicts, but I can´t see Minnie say anything really bad to Alix. The absence of sisters? Did that woman ever read anything the family friends wrote about OTMA?

Artipo was a name Lily Dehn used in her memoirs, so that´s probably the source of the mistake, but otherwise it seems Ericsson didn´t read it at all. :(

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« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2008, 01:45:57 PM »
Well, I thought at first anyone will hate me here for my words, which came up to be a sort of rude, maybe. But I was so angry when I read the book that I had to express myself.
Tatiana is having sex twice and then falls in love with a man, who tries to help her to escape- Michael, a Circassian soldier, of the tsars loyal regiment. I think that the girls maybe dreamt of being deep in touch with a man, Tatiana and Olga were grown up women, but I do never think that they would have had sex with a man just for they were in love with him. Tatiana loved a soldier, who gave her "Ortino" and maybe she had dreams.
But can you imagine her visiting workers and getting affected by their problems so deeply that she went off everyday with a milkmaid to visit them?
I read the book and will keep it, but it was a loss of money.

By the way, "Artipo"- who was it? I do not know the book by Lili Dehn. And I have heard the name before, but do not know who it was.

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Re: The Tsarina's Daughter - Carolly Erickson
« Reply #56 on: October 21, 2008, 03:01:29 PM »
Lili Dehn was a close friend of the empress. You can read her memoir, The Real Tsaritsa, here:

http://www.alexanderpalace.org/realtsaritsa/

THE LOST CROWN: A Novel of Romanov Russia -- now in paperback!
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« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2008, 03:50:03 PM »
Good grief, it is a work of fiction!, Author's license to do anything he/she likes with the story.
 And anyone who does not even know who Lili Dehn was, has no room to criticise, as I see it.

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Re: The Tsarina's Daughter - Carolly Erickson
« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2008, 10:42:56 PM »
I believe imperialhighness was inquiring about the identity of "Artipo," NOT Lili Dehn.

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Re: The Tsarina's Daughter - Carolly Erickson
« Reply #59 on: October 22, 2008, 02:29:31 AM »
Thanks Ortino,

Of course I know who Lili Dehn was, and Anna Vyrubova and so on. And I know the book which is shown up her at the Alexander Palace website, but I have heard there shall be 3 books by her.

It s pretty unfair to think that someone is a know-it-all and sometimes I do not recgnize at first if I had heard a name and place before...no one can say he/she knows everything about the Romanov family. And I just wanted to talk about the book by Erickson, not critizise it to be burnt or something like that.

But okay, that s why I m only here once in a year- you want to be kind and get yourself into it and then you have to realize that there are people who are bored by what you say.

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