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Re: Anyone going to Ekaterinburg for the 17/18th July?
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2009, 10:53:39 PM »
My pleasure!        AP

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« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2009, 02:31:10 AM »
It's nice that someone thinks I am young again!

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« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2009, 03:21:55 AM »
But of course you are!     Just think it!   Regards,  AP

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« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2009, 02:44:15 AM »
Looking at the dates on this thread, this topic revives itself once a year, with little or no success. Just pipe-dreams.  Since the interest seems to be within the "teen groupies,"  I would say that you need to "get REAL." Stop deceiving yourselves just to sound "committed."
  Consider that (1) you have an absolutely overly- romanticized and unrealistic concept of the individual planning efforts, documents, insurances, permits to travel etc  needed according to age grouping, etc., airplane changes in one ot two coiuntries with possible over-night stays between airports, temporary versus more stubtantial lodgings, FOOD, etc..  I hope no one thinks that they can do it solo and to go there, certainly not by yourselves alone , but rather go in a group with adult chaperones, dealing with a language and alphabet that  no one understands and a hotels system that has 2 price levels (meaning more expensive for YOU per night) and with potentially no airconditioning. And then there is the transportation.  Russia is HUGE. One of their administrative regions is as big as the entire country of Belgium!  Also the length of time you wish to stay may be cut short if the relatively newly-instituted "Migration Cards " are in effect.  You must use legally RUBLES, not dollars or euros. If you try to illegally exchange dollars for Rubles in some black-market arrangement, you are breaking the law, plus probably getting no-good out-of-date, devalued rubles in exchange (poetic justice)!  So considering traveling by yourself is inordinately silly and OUT.  Will you then go with an organized group (say from the USA to the Urals?  I think there is NO interest in such.)  And I believe that no parent will let you go alone!  You simply cannot imagine the distance that you will have to travel. I am older and thus have traveled alone several times, but not as far as the Urals.  AND THEN, there is NUMBER 2: the cost in USD dollars.  Are you capable of spending possibly a basic , very basic $5,000.+ for round trip travel, etc,  perhaps for no more than 2 weeks per each person, since its the high season and you will be perceived as more affluent.  The answer is NO, I don't believe that any of you have the money.  You will need to wait until you are older, join a Baltic cruise (including St. Petersburg), with a clleared vision of what the trip entails by professionals.  BUT, by that time, the enthuasium for the dead and buried family will hold NO interest for many of you to make such sacrifices time-wise or financially, being occupied with your  own home and children.  Then there are those that say they will study a year in Russia! Self-deception ?  Smoke and mirrors? Will you be willing to give up a comfortable daily home commute to, say, a state-supported school,such as Tulsa State University ? Even if  one of the teens here is even accepted, IMO they will not finish, finding it too demanding and thus having learned a expensive and tough lession. I have been on Russian campii and spoken with students.  They impressed me as MOST willing to achieve, the competition is fierce, something not often encountered her.  I will follow certain students in the forum and their Russian aspiration/dreams, as they post them on here to see who (if any) actually make it to Russia to the Urals as a memory visit and/or to school. I think that our teens are too comfortable to last out either venture.     AP

This post is pompous and presumptuous, almost to the point of hilarity. You don't know anything about the people that you're talking about, except that they're aged 13 - 19!

(And no, I'm not one of them).

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« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2009, 11:29:50 AM »
Hello, Alice!  Thank you for your observations; obviously my points were made and understood. (Truth can sometimes be quite stark, when seen without rose-colored glasses. )  People are absolutely entitled to their points of view, and now you have made yours!  I presume that you have traveled to Russia?   Best regards,  AP
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« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2009, 06:06:48 PM »
Hello, Alice!  Thank you for your observations; obviously my points were made and understood.

Yes, obviously.

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(Truth can sometimes be quite stark, when seen without rose-colored glasses. )

I wholeheartedly agree.

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 People are absolutely entitled to their points of view, and now you have made yours!

Again, you state the obvious. How boring.

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I presume that you have traveled to Russia?   Best regards,  AP

I haven't, and don't see how that is relevant to your patronisation of the teenagers on this board. Or perhaps your rant also extends to 20-somethings (which would include me)?

Either way, if you are implying that I am naive about overseas travel, you're incorrect. I've lived overseas. Cheers!

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« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2009, 07:34:45 PM »
Indeed? The UK, I should think.  And " Cheers"  to you as well !    Regards,  AP.
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« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2009, 08:31:41 PM »
Indeed? The UK, I should think.  And " Cheers"  to you as well !    Regards,  AP.

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Re: Anyone going to Ekaterinburg for the 17/18th July?
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2009, 09:39:23 PM »
Starting to stray a bit off-topic here, folks.

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« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2009, 01:12:09 AM »
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« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2009, 04:49:19 AM »
Isn't it the 91st one?
 
I have been looking throughout Russian webs, I noticed many Church services (moleben, Krstnii Hod) are processing all around the Russia -- Kostroma, Ekaterinburg, and so on. May them rest in peace. It was night when 'the Revolution covered into red color itself'.  :-(
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« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2009, 05:40:53 PM »
Good bless them!

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« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2009, 05:47:13 PM »
Isn't it the 91st one?
 
I have been looking throughout Russian webs, I noticed many Church services (moleben, Krstnii Hod) are processing all around the Russia -- Kostroma, Ekaterinburg, and so on. May them rest in peace. It was night when 'the Revolution covered into red color itself'.  :-(

Yap, it’s the 91st..
Thanks for the correction. I also thank you for that info above.   


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« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2009, 09:35:57 PM »
Do keep dreaming teenagers!

Dreaming plants a seed which only grows and nurtures with time.  I know because I was a teenager once.  I used to dream of visiting St. Petersburg and soaking up all the history.  Last year, I finally got to go!  After all these years, the interest remained inside of me.  Guess what?  It didn’t cost me $5000.  My ticket was $752 round trip and that was only because I wanted a specific open-jaw itinerary (JFK>HEL>TLL>LED>DME>EWR).  Otherwise, right now, I’m seeing round trip fares from NYC to Moscow for under $450 in September (kayak.com).  I remember back in June they were under $400! That was because several airlines were launching their Moscow routes and dropping fares to compete with each other, but moral of the story is that deals can definitely be found.  I’m talking NYC specifically, but you get the idea.

All this talk about hassles with a migration card is silly.  It’s the card you’re given when you enter Russia.  You just fill out your personal information and keep it for your entire journey.  It’s in both English and Cyrillic.  You turn it over to the officials when you leave the country.  No big deal.  A letter of invitation is easy to get, and the only wait will be for your visa.  That has to be done through a service, and it’s more bothersome than frightening.  I’m lucky, I did it all on my own and got my visa back in less than a week. This was one week before they changed the rules and started making people go through the service.  (http://www.waytorussia.net/RussianVisa/Info.html).  Make sure to check the Russian consulate in your area and follow all their rules. 

For accommodations, you can stay in hostels.  I did and they were super cheap and I met tons of friendly people (http://www.hostelworld.com/countries/russiahostels.html).

In Russia, especially in the hostels, you will meet many young people heading to their journey on the Trans-Siberian railway.  Trains in Russia are cheap and safe.  I took one from St. Petersburg to Moscow and it was great.  Almost all the travelers I met didn’t know any Russian and did just fine.  I managed with just knowing the Cyrillic alphabet (very important!) and a few words.  Yes, you can do it alone. I know because I most certainly did and I met tons of others who were by themselves too!!!  No group tours for me, thank you very much. I did it all independently.  I don’t recommend this to a teenager. I’m talking about when you’re a bit older.   

As for money, this idea that you will be resorting to sneaky black market funds is preposterous! There are major banks all over and you can complete all cash machine transactions in English!! Once you arrive in Russia, at the airport, just head for the ATM and get your rubles.  If you’re a student, everything will be discounted; the Hermitage is free for students.  There is a two-tier system at Russian tourist sites, but it's not done in a sneaky way.  They tell you outright that Russians pay less.  All prices at major tourist sites will be in English and will spell out the difference in prices - one price for Russians, the other for tourists.  Again, if you're a student, you will pay much less for entrance fees. 

I could go on an on, but my travel experience speaks for itself. You just need to research, jump on airline deals, and make sure your visa and registration is in order.   If you want someplace to start, I suggest http://www.waytorussia.net.  This will help you with the basics.  From there, you can check out travel guides and search the Internet.  By the way, Yekaterinburg is about a day’s train travel from Moscow. The train is an experience you shouldn’t pass up.     

Someday, when you are a little older, you will visit Russia, and you’ll have a laugh at the people who passed off incorrect information so it would look like it couldn’t happen!!

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Re: Anyone going to Ekaterinburg for the 17/18th July?
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2009, 09:42:24 PM »
I thought of traveling to Yekaterinburg this year, but it might be Kiev instead. Still, I don't think any visit in July will happen as it conflicts with work.  Besides, I would rather have a solemn visit, away from any anniversary.  But, I understand how special it would be to be surrounded by others on such a day.