Nikolai Tyrova? A Short Lesson in Russian

[G_Lermontov]

My knowledge of the Russian language is near zero.  I've been listening to a couple of different audio files (Nicholas II being introduced by a Russian army officer and the canonization ceremony in Moscow in 2000), and in both, he is clearly referred to as something approximating "Nikolai Tyrova".  I've tried online Russian English dictionaries, but nothing is coming up.  I'm probably transliterating it wrong.  It's probably something simple, but I've tried looking up the Russian word for "the second" or "two", and they don't sound like "tyrova".  Any ideas what "tyrova" means?

[Helen]

They probably said 'Николай Второго', which is the genitive of 'Николай Второй' (Nicholas the Second). The first and third 'o' in 'Второго' are unstressed, which in the Russian language means they are pronounced differently and may sound more like an 'а' than an 'o'. The 'г' in word endings like '-ого' is also pronounced differently than at the beginning of a word.  English is not my native language, but I guess 'Второго' may sound like 'vtyrova', 'vtarova', or something similar to American or British people if the initial 'В' ('v') in 'Второго' is pronounced less clearly.

[Svetabel]

In Russian Nicholas the Second sounds like " Ni-ko-lai Vto-roi". The genitive of " Ni-ko-lai Vto-roi" sounds like "Ni-ko-laya Vto-ro-go". Probably you've heard "Vtoroi" as Tyrova.

[nena]

Genitive in Russian---isn't you use it when we want to say from anybody? Example: nominative means name of person,or object;

nominative: Nikolai
genitivive: from/od Nikolaya

Am I correct?
I think in Russian there is 6 changes of a name--I don't know English word of that -nominative, genitiv, dative, acusative, etc.,. Names came from Latin language, I guess; nomen-name...

[Helen]

Yes, you are right: the second case is the genitive or possessive case.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genitive)

[Romanov_Fan19]

G_Lermontov ,
Tell Me where did you see his Canonization who was involved Clergy ect ect and is there some form of Sermon

[Sarushka]

Yes, genitive in Russian denotes possession. For example, "Ipatiev's house" is expressed literally in Russian as "the house of ipatiev." But the word "of" doesn't exist in Russian, so the ending of "Ipatiev" changes to the genitive case to show ownership: "dom Ipatieva."

[G_Lermontov]

Thanks for all your help, everyone.  I believe it was the genitive of Nicholas the Second that I heard.

G_Lermontov ,
Tell Me where did you see his Canonization who was involved Clergy ect ect and is there some form of Sermon

Unfortunately, I only saw about a minute of the canonization ceremony.  Here is the youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl7VnQeu8OQ

It's at the very end of the video.  The majority of the clip is a collection of (sometimes graphic) images of the murder in Ekaterinburg from various films, so be warned.

If someone wanted to translate exactly what is said at the end, it would be pretty awesome... 

[nena]

Different versions: Dom Ipatieva, also can be trsnslated as Home of Ipatievs-in English.

[Ilias_of_John]

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl7VnQeu8OQ
It's at the very end of the video.  The majority of the clip is a collection of (sometimes graphic) images of the murder in Ekaterinburg from various films, so be warned."

"Oh for a battalion of Infantry, a bishop and a bible, and Russia would not have gone through the 80 years of terror, and the blessed family would have lived."

Someone after 3 rather large glasses of red.



 

[Превед]

It would be good pedagogy to refer to Russian sovereigns like this:

Nikoláy Pérviy (NI)
Nikoláy Vtoróy (NII)
Aleksándr Trétiy (AIII)
Iván Chetvyórtiy (Ivan Grózhniy / the Terrible IV)
Pyotr Velíkiy (Peter the Great)
Yekaterína Vtoráya / Velíkaya (Catherine the Second / the Great)

It really shows that Russian, as an Indo-European language, is not that alien. E.g. первий / perviy has the same p-r combo as Latin primus. четвёртый / chetvyórtiy the same q/k>ch - t - r combo as Latin quartus.