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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #285 on: January 18, 2008, 09:32:10 AM »
A few random questions. Was security a major issue for Wilhelm in exile? Were there any threats? Did he have to have guards? I am told that the Dutch government wants to close Huis Doorn. is this correct? What will happen to it and its contents?

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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #286 on: January 18, 2008, 10:59:21 AM »
Dear Ella & Dmitri,

Thank you so much for your very informative replies.

I did know that Queen Alexandra and Empress Maria Feodorovna detested the Kaiser - and most things German actually - but always wondered about George V and Queen Mary.

I'm sure none of them would blame Louis Ferdinand for any of WWI as he would have only been a boy then...

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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #287 on: January 18, 2008, 12:21:33 PM »
Here's a picture of Princess Juliana with the Kaiser at Doorn for Louis Ferdinand's wedding:



The Kaiser's 80th birthday celebrations at Doorn:




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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #288 on: January 18, 2008, 06:22:54 PM »
The former Kaiser was basically persona non-grata with the British Royal family. It is hardly surprising as Germany was seen as the great betrayer of everything. Remember the former Kaiser was the eldest grandson of Queen Victoria. Even during her lifetime she became livid with his behaviour. Edward VII couldn't stand him and only went through formal duties with his nephew reluctantly. The German State visit to Britain only occurred in 1909. George V was never really very close. He didn't really like travelling abroad. He was closer to his Danish and Russian relations than those of the German side of the family. It should be remembered he was himself accused of being alien and uninspiring and as a result in 1917 the royal family abandoned all german titles and even reinvented itself from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor. The former Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha was also an incredible embarrassment. He like his older cousin Wilhelm was a first cousin of George V.   

George V once complained that the Kaiser was eavesdropping at every keyhole when he and Nicholas II were trying to have conversations during the wedding celebrations of the Kaiser's daughter in 1913--the last time the 3 men would ever meet. He didn't detest the Kaiser like his parents did but they were never personally close. He got on well with his other Hohenzollern cousins though, primarily Henry and Sophie (who married George's Greek cousin Constantine).

The Duke of Coburg wasn't so much an embarrassment until later for the family--like showing up for George's funeral in full Nazi regalia. I think George felt sympathetic for his position as someone who'd been an Englishman until his early teen years. Charles Edward was able to visit England many times in the 1920s and 1930s (part of what was his appeal for the Nazi regime) and even his cousins at Buckingham Palace. Many of the deposed German royals were able to eventually regain some semblance of normal family relations but the Kaiser himself was beyond the pale.

The Kaiser still maintained warm feelings (after early bitterness) for his British cousins and not only sent the condolence telegram in 1936 but Louis Ferdinand was the representative of the family at George's funeral. Since the Hohenzollerns weren't a ruling family any longer this was more a personal gesture than a political one.
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« Reply #289 on: January 19, 2008, 02:23:11 PM »
Is it true that, when George V died, the Kaiser send, in his representation, the Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha dressed in Nazi regalia?

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« Reply #290 on: January 19, 2008, 03:04:27 PM »
No, the Duke did that on his own, I believe. Louis Ferdinand was the Kaiser's (or the Hohenzollern family's) representative.
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #291 on: January 19, 2008, 11:16:11 PM »
The Kaiser had mellowed considerably in exile and had little time for the Nazi German regime. He was not gauche enough to send the deposed Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha as his representative. Of course if there had been no war or overthrow of the monarchy he would have attended himself.

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« Reply #292 on: January 24, 2008, 02:39:18 AM »
Thanks for the clarification! I feel that something was odd in this "choosing"...

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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #293 on: January 28, 2008, 07:37:11 PM »
Just a note that yesterday, January 27, was the Kaiser's birthday.
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #294 on: May 05, 2008, 04:25:03 AM »
A curious book on the Kaiser by an American who served as his dentist:
http://www.archive.org/details/kaiserasiknowhim00davi

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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #295 on: June 05, 2008, 03:13:06 PM »
On the passing away of Mel Ferrer,the first husband of dear Audrey Hepburn,what is the connection between Audrey Hepburn and the Kaiser?
Come on buffs....call it a quiiz,but there was a connection.... ;D
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #296 on: June 05, 2008, 03:24:54 PM »
Your question intrigued me, Lucien, so I did some research. Audrey Hepburn's grandmother owned House Doorn in Holland and the kaiser purchased the house from her estate and retired there after the abdication. Fascinating! Thanks for making me think and do a little fact digging!

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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #297 on: June 16, 2008, 04:12:00 PM »
We should have allowed Wilhelm II to remain as Kaiser in 1918. He wanted to use the army to restore law and order all over Germany.

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« Reply #298 on: June 16, 2008, 04:15:32 PM »
We should have allowed Wilhelm II to remain as Kaiser in 1918. He wanted to use the army to restore law and order all over Germany.

who is "we"? There was a revolution in Germany that deposed Wilhelm, primarily, and even if the armistice had allowed for such, he had little leadership equity left with the army to use it against his own people.
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #299 on: June 16, 2008, 04:22:59 PM »
Well, Lloyd George wanted to hang him which very much annoyed George V. Maybe if we had withdrawn our forces he could have restored order in the five major ports where they were raising the red flag and demanding an end to the monarchy.